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LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Jeff Barnas

A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX -- During the last couple of months, adult LEGO fans have expressed their interest about the brick color change, which you can see in some 2004 LEGO sets. The rest of the article is here... (URL) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general) !!

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Nicolas D'Angelo

(...) Lego is basically a monopoly, they can do whatever they want because they're the only ones doing what they do. I wouldn't be so sure that the adult consumer group is much smaller than the minor group, and in any case, adults are the ones (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Alfred Speredelozzi

(...) It is certainly not a monopoly. MegaBlocks is a huge competitor, and is causing them an immense amount of grief. Not to mention they have to fight an increasingly shrinking portion of the toy market in general. Just because you are brand (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Paulo Renato

In lugnet.general, Nicolas D'Angelo wrote: < good speaking snip > (...) Yeah, I find this line absurd too! TLC is not understandable anymore, I'm afraid. I don't buy that excuse! Who are they kidding? If you wanna know, I don't buy that focus groups (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Mark Papenfuss

(...) WOW! TLC just does not grasp what is going on.... "From comments made by adults on LUGNET.com it is apparent that many fans do not think that the new colors match the old colors they have been collecting for years" We do not think they will (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

A gray area? —Todd Lehman

(...) It's graytarded. --Todd (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX) !

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Paulo Renato

(...) You are right. It is just sad. It is even sadder when obviously TLC knows what is going on here but just can't admit it. For the record: If I had to choose between both colors (old and new) and just the new colors, I would prefer both, (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Tobbe Arnesson

(...) "What do you think? Do you miss the old gray bricks? Go to the message boards and let us know!" Anyone else get a 404 when trying to get to said message board? (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Todd Lehman

(...) 404 owns LEGO --Todd (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Troy Cefaratti

"Todd Lehman" <tsl@tsl.bu.edu> wrote in message news:HtKw0y.103r@lugnet.com... (...) If this is indicative of the types of product testing they did, no wonder we ended up with the new grays! Apparently they don't really want anyones opinions on the (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Simon Denscombe

(...) Has anyone tried manually creating a new topic, I see there is a button to do so on the bottom of the page. Simon Denscombe (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Matthew Miller

(...) I tried, but it just "spun", and eventually timed out. (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Tim Strutt

(...) I subimtted a new topic "A Gray Area?" yesterday, but it says the topic has to be approved first. It took me almost an hour to get through maybe 4 screens, in order to post a message on the existing forums (I posted in the Monthly Brick (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —

Jake McKee

(...) Now now. All sites have problems from time to time. This one was just really bad timing! Everything *should* be back up and running now. If not, the techs are still working on it, but it should be back up very soon. Jake --- Jake McKee (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re:Lego.com 404 —Neb Okla

"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message news:HtnI4t.22yK@lugnet.com... (...) really bad (...) are (...) Just out of curiosity, what cities are the Lego servers in? A friend was on a tour of a Qwest datacenter once and was told (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

I'd place a bet —Christian Treczoks

(...) As the discussion forums at the LEGO site are moderated, I'd bet that a a new discussion area about the new grey will never happen, and that postings about this topic in other areas will not be moderated and made public, except when they are (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: I'd place a bet —Mike Walsh

"Christian Treczoks" <ct@braehler.com> wrote in message news:Htoryw.6s0@lugnet.com... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) It has been a while since I have posted but when the boards first started, there was no feedback what so ever if your post was not (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Ken Nagel

(...) Saturday the 29th....10am CST. Still not working or down again? I hope they pay you well because it can't be fun making excuses for this bunch...-Ken (21 years ago, 29-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Orion Pobursky

(...) I got in fine 2/29 1130. It's probably your connection -Orion (21 years ago, 29-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Matthew Miller

(...) I have a really good connection, and I'm having trouble getting it to load. Two different good connections, in fact, with the same result. When it *did* load the other day, it was so miserably slow to actually try to post that I gave up. (...) (21 years ago, 29-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Matthew Miller

(...) Yes. But not just from there; from less obscure pages too, like (URL). Hopefully it'll be back up soon. (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Adrian Egli

(...) Looks like the message board is back up. (URL) But the color change isn't listed as a topic (well, at least not yet). Adr. (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Christian Treczoks

(...) Wow. Almost political. To call a never-seen-before storm of rage "expressing ones interest" is a sure sign how little they care for their customers. Nuff said. Christian (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Jennifer Clark

"Christian Treczoks" <ct@braehler.com> wrote in message news:HtL5nM.8Kt@lugnet.com... (...) That's one way of looking at it. Sure, the language is understated, but personally, I am amazed that a corporate giant such as Lego will acknowledge this in (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Anne Carasik

(...) Jennifer, I would too, but when TLC asked us what we think of the new grays, giving us an ear thinking we could possibly make a change and acting like they care (no, I'm not shooting Jake, the messanger). All this does is show TLC management (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —Matthew Miller

(...) Get your younger brothers to write letters. Hand written is probably ideal. (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX —James Wilson

(...) Interesting to me is that the only thing (other than off-topic.debate) that seems to have ignited such a storm of "expressing interests" lately has been the proposal of LegoFan.net. Seems LUGNetters don't want anyone messing with our greys, or (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: LUGNET's mention on LEGO.com---A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SETBOX —Kevin Wilson

Christian Treczoks wrote in message ... (...) I agree with the other opinions expressed in this thread - BUT - given that this blurb is obviously written by someone whose first language is not English, I don't think we should get too subtle in our (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: Article text —John Gerlach

(...) Here is the text if you don't want to sign-in to read it: FEBRUARY 2004 ISSUE 16 A Gray Area? INSIDE THE LEGO SET BOX -- During the last couple of months, adult LEGO fans have expressed their interest about the brick color change, which you (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Ken Nagel

(...) What a bucket load of %$#*... Sounds like someone had her mind made up before the project was off the drawing board. (...) Translation: I've made up my mind dammit...now go along with the program. (...) Load number 2... It's been tested over (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Mike Rayhawk

(...) Nah, I doubt it was the lighting so much as the questions they were asking. Warmer colors are more likable and inviting, but cooler colors are, well, cooler; they're perceived as newer, more high-tech, and exciting. I'm trying to find the post (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

PVC (not ABS) parts —Don Heyse

(...) Wait a minute. I thought I was imagining this. What elements have appeared in cheaper plastic? I thought some of the plastic in the $10 Harry Potter sets with the cheesy cardboard backdrops seemed to be made of cheaper stuff. The sound that (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Matthew J. Chiles

(...) I know that is a chief deterrent for me right now. I am reluctant to buy sets from late last year that may contain grey because I am afraid they will actually have bley instead. And I have already shipped enough bley back to Lego to hopefully (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Ken Nagel

(...) She didn't mention marketing she said it would be "expensive" to make both colors. Words mean things... don't try to read into them what's not there. There would be no marketing needed. A given model would use the appropriate color and it's (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Mike Rayhawk

(...) Not at all, she said it would be expensive to "have" both colors. She didn't mention production either, you just assumed it. (...) By the very fact that you can propose that with a straight face, I can tell you've never worked for Billund. I (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Ken Nagel

(...) You're splitting hairs. In order to have them they have to produce them. However you want to split it does not cost any more to have bley and grey than it does to have bley and (any color). The main point should be that while developing bley (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Mike Rayhawk

(...) In order to have them they have to be able to sell them. I don't think I'm splitting hairs at all. I was just responding to your accusation that I was reading more into the word "have" than you were, which I still think was not the case. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Matthew Miller

(...) Hey, if you're gonna be arguing about the meaning of the word "have", take it to .off-topic.debate. :) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: Article text —Ken Nagel

(...) You haven't been listening to lego then. They seem to be willing to defend this with their dying breath. (wich is what I would like to avoid) (...) You haven't made that point though. They have a virtual spectrum now. If more colors cost more (...) (21 years ago, 29-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Matthew Miller

(...) For what it's worth, I just saw something on lego.com saying that Lego's current (no year given) lineup has 84 different colors. (21 years ago, 29-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: Article text —David Laswell

(...) ...and yellow and blue. I'm sure there are people who would be happy if every piece that was produced from now on would be a 2x4 in one of the original five colors, but that would pretty much drive the company into the ground. They do have too (...) (21 years ago, 29-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Ken Nagel

(...) I have no idea what brought you to that conclusion. One of the hottest sellers keeping the Lego stors afloat right now is the pick a brick. People are gobbeling up the colors you seem to not find useful. (...) That is the whole point of this (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —David Laswell

(...) They're selling because they're rare colors, not because they're particularly useful. And I'd be surprised in a large number of them weren't bought specifically to put on Bricklink. I still don't see many MOCs that actually use them. (...) You (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Ken Nagel

(...) Awfuly bullheaded of you just because YOU don't find them useful. I've wittnessed hundreds of PAB purchases and the overwelming majority of them are because the people buying them because they enjoy them. As for MOCs I've seen many including a (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Mike Walsh

"Ken Nagel" <knandjn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:HtwMIE.4CE@lugnet.com... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) to be (...) more (...) words (...) licencing (...) [ ... snipped ... ] Maybe but I don't think so. Over the years there has been speculation (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: Article text —Bill Vollbrecht

(...) Hope you don't mind if I chime in on the subject! The Maersk blue color was made to match exactly the official color of the Maersk company to use in sets using the Maersk name. The color was not available to the LEGOLAND modelshops until the (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.general)

Re: Article text —David Laswell

(...) Go back and reread exactly what I said, as I'm pretty sure you didn't understand it. I mentioned specifically "light yellow, light orange, and bright green". Why? Because they're all about the different from basic yellow, basic orange, and (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —David Laswell

(...) They did no such thing. The new HP Hogwarts Castle is a 100% new design. The intent was to provide something that would appeal to those who had already bought the original Hogwarts, but that could still serve as a focal set for those who (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Ken Nagel

(...) OK so nobody likes my term "Switched around". Matters not. The point is that they had nowhere near sold the original castle to all the people who would likely buy one. They couldn't keep going with it though because of the color change. So (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —David Laswell

(...) If they tried to keep milking the original Hogwarts for every last drop, they'd be bleeding money to the Law of Diminishing Returns. There's a point where continued production of a set becomes a liability, and when the vast majority of stores (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Ken Nagel

(...) The problem is that due to poor marketing they haven't begun to scratch the surface. You may hit TRU and make it a point of checking the Lego display but most parents don't, they scoot in buy what the child wants and leave. I know for a fact (...) (21 years ago, 29-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —David Laswell

(...) Sets in the $90+ range sell in such small quantities that most stores won't even stock them, which is why TRU can get away with jacking the price another $10 over MSRP. Comparing a $300 toy to a similar $90 toy is simply a matter of scale. The (...) (21 years ago, 29-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Ken Nagel

(...) The store only sells merchandise. If it's not selling then somebody is doing a pretty poor job of marketing it. That would be... oh, yea the guys with the weak shoulders... Hogwarts was expensive to produce because of the licencing fees. (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —David Laswell

(...) That's not always true. Ever heard of something called the Law of Supply and Demand? Demand has dropped because all of the people who absolutely had to buy it did. Then the people who kinda had to buy it did. Then the people who sorta wanted (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —Ken Nagel

(...) Of corse I've heard of supply & demand. I'm the first to admit the castle sales slowed. That left Lego with two choices... 1)redesign the set 2)increase the demand. One of these choices is signifgantly more costly. Since they are whining about (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)

Re: Article text —David Laswell

(...) Both cost considerable amounts of money. In fact, I'd be surprised if designing a new Hogwarts didn't cost significantly less than a huge advertising campaign would (and anything less isn't going to have the impact that you seem to desire). (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)