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Re: OLD doors question
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Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:19:58 GMT
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Frank Filz wrote:
> Lorbaat wrote:
> >
> > In lugnet.general, Benjamin Whytcross writes:
> > > I've got several 1x2x3 (?) doors, and I noticed that some have their handles
> > > on the right, and some on the left. Does anyone know if there were specific
> > > sets that doors with handles on one side or the other were produced, or if
> > > they were interchangeable. Also, is one more common than the other or not?
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> > Err, on mine, the doors come out of the frame and can be flipped over, thus
> > changing which side the handle is on.
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> Those are the 1x3x4 doors...
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> The 1x2x3 doors are the same styling as the 1x2x2 (and other) classic
> windows. They are two piece (frame and glass), and do not open. Known
> colors are red, white, and yellow.
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> Of course Gary Istok may chime in with more information (especially
> information relating to the commoness of the two facings - left or
> right).
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> --
> Frank Filz
Did someone say CLASSIC DOORS?.................. you'll be sorry you asked....
OK here's my take on them. I have about 300 of these (140 red, 120 white and 40
yellow). I also have the very earliest doors from 1957 in both red and white from
a 1957 (no tubes under bricks) #700 wooden box set from Germany. The first yellow
doors appeared in 1966 in the first Shell set. This was a few years after
Cellulose Acetate was discontinued, so yellow doors don't exist in CA. And the
very last set with classic doors came in set #400 in 1976, which were in yellow.
Tonight I'll go home and get a count of right versus left handed doors. I think it
might be sort of a 60% versus 40% in red or white. In yellow, I think that one of
them (not sure whether right or left) is much more common than the other. Note:
yellow was never as common as red or white, partly because this color was never
available as a parts pack, and partly because most sets had either red or white
doors.
This won't be a scientific survey, but I probably have one of the largest samples
available anywhere.
Anyway, I'll get a breakdown on what I have based on this criteria:
COLOR LEFT COUNT RIGHT COUNT
Red ('57) xxx xxx
White ('57) xxx xxx
Red CA xxx xxx
Red ABS xxx xxx
White CA xxx xxx
White ABS xxx xxx
Yellow xxx xxx
Note: the 1957 LEGO doors & windows are different from those starting in 1958 and
later in that their studs on top are not hollow, but like regular brick studs.
Starting in 1958, these doors & windows had the depressions on the studs that are
still with us today in the only continuously produced window, the 1x2x2.
Also, I wanted to add that the door handle (the cross bar) was the weakest point in
the classic doors. They tended to break off easily. Anyone who has any quantity
of classic doors (and windows) will find at least one of these missing the door
handle completely. These were NEVER sold that way, in case you come across one
with a clean break. But I really like these (handle-less doors) because without
the handle, these are a instantly transformed into a window ---- a perfect match
for the large classic picture window (1x6x3), but at 1/3 the size. Sometimes I use
these with regular doors in groups of three (a right handled door on one side and a
left handled door on the other side with this "window" in the middle. I am always
on the lookout for more classic doors.
Another interesting fact is that although classic doors have never been seen in any
other color (come on someone, prove me wrong!!!) they have been seen in a 1960
Swedish Advertisement (on Tore Eriksson's website) in BLACK!! along with 1x2x2 and
1x4x2 windows (I have the 1x2x2 windows in my collection along with a single
1x1x2), but I've never seen the 1x4x2 in black.
For a while last fall, there was some excitement that 1970's Windmill set #352
contained a gray 1x2x3 door (as well as one 1x2x2 gray window --- which do exist in
the 7740 intercity train). But upon closer inspection of the Brickshelf building
scans for 352, one can see that TLC changed the brick colors from diagram to
diagram, to highlight the bricks added since the previous diagram. Too bad, gray
would have made for a rare but welcome classic addition.
I'll fill in the 'xxx's tomorrow on the above chart.
Gary Istok
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| (...) OK, I spent about an hour last night looking for all the old classic doors, I still have a few dozen sitting around somewhere, but I have a large enough sample to get some idea about left versus right handed classic doors. There's the (...) (25 years ago, 30-Mar-00, to lugnet.general)
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| (...) Those are the 1x3x4 doors... The 1x2x3 doors are the same styling as the 1x2x2 (and other) classic windows. They are two piece (frame and glass), and do not open. Known colors are red, white, and yellow. Of course Gary Istok may chime in with (...) (25 years ago, 29-Mar-00, to lugnet.general)
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