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Re: OLD doors question
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Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:57:29 GMT
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Gary Istok wrote:
> Frank Filz wrote:
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> > Lorbaat wrote:
> > >
> > > In lugnet.general, Benjamin Whytcross writes:
> > > > I've got several 1x2x3 (?) doors, and I noticed that some have their handles
> > > > on the right, and some on the left. Does anyone know if there were specific
> > > > sets that doors with handles on one side or the other were produced, or if
> > > > they were interchangeable. Also, is one more common than the other or not?
> > >
> > > Err, on mine, the doors come out of the frame and can be flipped over, thus
> > > changing which side the handle is on.
> >
> > Those are the 1x3x4 doors...
> >
> > The 1x2x3 doors are the same styling as the 1x2x2 (and other) classic
> > windows. They are two piece (frame and glass), and do not open. Known
> > colors are red, white, and yellow.
> >
> > Of course Gary Istok may chime in with more information (especially
> > information relating to the commoness of the two facings - left or
> > right).
> >
> > --
> > Frank Filz
>
> Did someone say CLASSIC DOORS?.................. you'll be sorry you asked....
>
> OK here's my take on them. I have about 300 of these (140 red, 120 white and 40
> yellow). I also have the very earliest doors from 1957 in both red and white from
> a 1957 (no tubes under bricks) #700 wooden box set from Germany. The first yellow
> doors appeared in 1966 in the first Shell set. This was a few years after
> Cellulose Acetate was discontinued, so yellow doors don't exist in CA. And the
> very last set with classic doors came in set #400 in 1976, which were in yellow.
> Tonight I'll go home and get a count of right versus left handed doors. I think it
> might be sort of a 60% versus 40% in red or white. In yellow, I think that one of
> them (not sure whether right or left) is much more common than the other. Note:
> yellow was never as common as red or white, partly because this color was never
> available as a parts pack, and partly because most sets had either red or white
> doors.
>
> This won't be a scientific survey, but I probably have one of the largest samples
> available anywhere.
> Anyway, I'll get a breakdown on what I have based on this criteria:
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> COLOR LEFT COUNT RIGHT COUNT
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> Red ('57) xxx xxx
> White ('57) xxx xxx
> Red CA xxx xxx
> Red ABS xxx xxx
> White CA xxx xxx
> White ABS xxx xxx
> Yellow xxx xxx
>
> Note: the 1957 LEGO doors & windows are different from those starting in 1958 and
> later in that their studs on top are not hollow, but like regular brick studs.
> Starting in 1958, these doors & windows had the depressions on the studs that are
> still with us today in the only continuously produced window, the 1x2x2.
>
> Also, I wanted to add that the door handle (the cross bar) was the weakest point in
> the classic doors. They tended to break off easily. Anyone who has any quantity
> of classic doors (and windows) will find at least one of these missing the door
> handle completely. These were NEVER sold that way, in case you come across one
> with a clean break. But I really like these (handle-less doors) because without
> the handle, these are a instantly transformed into a window ---- a perfect match
> for the large classic picture window (1x6x3), but at 1/3 the size. Sometimes I use
> these with regular doors in groups of three (a right handled door on one side and a
> left handled door on the other side with this "window" in the middle. I am always
> on the lookout for more classic doors.
>
> Another interesting fact is that although classic doors have never been seen in any
> other color (come on someone, prove me wrong!!!) they have been seen in a 1960
> Swedish Advertisement (on Tore Eriksson's website) in BLACK!! along with 1x2x2 and
> 1x4x2 windows (I have the 1x2x2 windows in my collection along with a single
> 1x1x2), but I've never seen the 1x4x2 in black.
>
> For a while last fall, there was some excitement that 1970's Windmill set #352
> contained a gray 1x2x3 door (as well as one 1x2x2 gray window --- which do exist in
> the 7740 intercity train). But upon closer inspection of the Brickshelf building
> scans for 352, one can see that TLC changed the brick colors from diagram to
> diagram, to highlight the bricks added since the previous diagram. Too bad, gray
> would have made for a rare but welcome classic addition.
>
> I'll fill in the 'xxx's tomorrow on the above chart.
>
> Gary Istok
OK, I spent about an hour last night looking for all the old classic doors, I still
have a few dozen sitting around somewhere, but I have a large enough sample to get some
idea about left versus right handed classic doors. There's the results:
COLOR LEFT COUNT RIGHT COUNT
Red CA 18 37
Red ABS 57 44
White CA 02 20
White ABS 48 24
Yellow (ABS) 23 07
----------------------------------------------------
Total No Yellow 127 127
Grand Total 150 134
Out of this total, there are 3 old large sets in my collection that still had their
original doors. Here's the results:
1) #700 - 1957 Wooden Box Set (Germany) with contents:
Total Doors: 8 (4 white, 4 red).
The 4 white doors were 2 left and 2 right doors.
The 4 red doors were 1 left and 3 right doors.
Comments: This set was the forerunner of the true Town Plan set that came 4 years
later. Classic doors first came into existence in 1957, and this set was the first set
ever that had both red and white doors. It seems that LEGO made right and left handled
doors from the very beginning. And it appears that they were put into sets randomly.
2) #725 - 1963 USA Samsonite - Town Plan set:
Total Doors: 12 (1 white, 11 red).
The 1 white door was a right door.
The 11 red doors were all right doors.
Comments: The Town Plan (#725 in USA, #810 in Europe) had more classic doors than any
other set (besides the Samsonite LEGO doors parts pack, which had 13 doors) that LEGO
ever made. Although all the doors (both red and white) had right handled doors, the
box top picture of the Town Plan scape shows right and left hand doors used. Very
interesting.
3) #717 - 1963 USA Samsonite - Junior Constructor set:
Total Doors: 2 (2 white)
The 2 white doors were both right doors.
Comments: This set shows both doors as right handled in the box top.
Conclusion: In red and white, right and left handled doors seem to be rather equally
distributed. There appears to be absolutely no rhyme or reason to what set had what
door. It appears to be rather random. Yellow doors seem to be prone to be left
handled doors. The '60s - 70's Shell sets seem to be the ones that have the right
handled doors. The left handled doors appear to belong to other non-Shell 70's sets
LEGO made.
Gary Istok
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