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| | | Dear Lego, Is there something we can do to help prevent the move to China? I know it's probably not possible, but can we show either a form of support or try to prove long term harm of the company's image (I wish Lego Co. the best, but expect the (...) (20 years ago, 25-Oct-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | Re: Can we help? — Jake McKee
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| | | | (...) To be completely clear... we have NOT announced we are moving production to China. Rather we have simply been mentioning that, as good business practice, we are looking at options. As was mentioned elsewhere, 80% of the toy business has it's (...) (20 years ago, 25-Oct-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Can we help? —John Gerlach
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| | | | | (...) And some of us go out of our way to find toys that are NOT produced in China. Sometimes, that's dang difficult, but I for one think it's worth the extra effort. JohnG, GMLTC (20 years ago, 25-Oct-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Mark de Kock
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| | | | | | (...) Now this may sound naive, but: WHY do you (and so many with you) object to production in China? I have seen some very good quality coming from over there (Atlas model trains comes to mind). I realy don't know why China would be a worse place (...) (20 years ago, 26-Oct-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Jeff Szklennik
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| | | | | | (...) because of their established slave labor practices & the 'first' world nations general willingness to look the other way for cheap stuff. (3 URLs) & just do a search for "chinese slave labor" or "laogai" I'm changing the forum to (...) (20 years ago, 28-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Good idea. However many consider it polite not to change the location of the post without any warning. Since you posted to ONLY off-topic.debate, people who subscribe to dear-lego by mail, or even by nntp, didn't see your post at all, and (...) (20 years ago, 28-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Jeff Szklennik
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| | | | | | (...) SNIP oops-sorry, thanks for the heads up, Lar Jeff (20 years ago, 29-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Marc Nelson, Jr.
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| | | | | (...) As an AFOL who complains long and loud about TLC actions that I disagree with, I feel I have a duty to chime in here: I will not think less of TLC for moving production to China, and I will not buy less from TLC if they move production to (...) (20 years ago, 25-Oct-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Johannes Koehler
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| | | | | | Hello! (...) I wouldn't think less, either, because it's almost impossible. And I wouldn't buy less than I already do because I almost don't buy any new products due to some (Attention! Bad word following!) colour change. But as a citizen of the (...) (20 years ago, 26-Oct-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Jeff Szklennik
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| | | | | (...) SNIP (...) Thank you for the quick response. If LEGO {does} move to china, Lego must make sure the workers are verifiably well treated & paid AND the facility is a safe, healthy place for them to work. Kinda like 'transparency' in operations. (...) (20 years ago, 30-Oct-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Bryan Wong
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| | | | (...) Just a word of warning, and pointing out the obvious: If LEGO moves production to China, expect leaks of set designs, the copying of sets by clone bricks, etc. to happen on a regular basis. The legal department will have their hands full! Just (...) (20 years ago, 1-Nov-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Can we help? —David Laswell
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| | | | | (...) Already happens. Sometimes people get unauthorized access to dealer catalogs (those which local stores use to order stock from), and other times people sneak photos at early toy shows that are not supposed to be open to the press (like the one (...) (20 years ago, 1-Nov-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Bryan Wong
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| | | | | | (...) I guess the point I was trying to make is that if TLG moved production to China, they would be spending more resources on combating theft of intellectual property than what they are currently used to. I am not an economics major, but moving to (...) (20 years ago, 1-Nov-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | (...) A good observation! With production outside China, there are no leaks of set designs or copying of clone sets... (...) Another good observation! It was obviously a huge mistake to start producing those Hollywood films in China... Cheers Richie (...) (20 years ago, 1-Nov-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) There's a point in there, somewhere. I'm sure of it. Perhaps, Richie, you'd be kind enough to make it more clearly... as a personal favor to those of us who aren't terrifically clever and witty, like yourself, or who perhaps aren't as good at (...) (20 years ago, 2-Nov-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | (...) Sure is: Outrageous claim. Unrelated evidence. I see now that the poster has clarified his statement. It is now just an outrageous claim. (...) There's a point in there too, somewhere. I'm sure of it. Perhaps, Larry, you'd be kind enough to (...) (20 years ago, 2-Nov-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) It would have been clearer to just say that instead of being clever. (...) So he has. (...) Sarcasm and mockery? Not really, no. (...) Your FUT cancelled (it's way off topic for .general) and FUT reset to admin.general (20 years ago, 2-Nov-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Bryan Wong
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| | | | | | (...) I fail to see how that is an outrageous claim. I was able to watch Shrek 2 on DVD several months ago, and the DVD is only scheduled for release on November 5th (according to Blockbuster). Yes, the quality was terrible, but it was the full (...) (20 years ago, 2-Nov-04, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | (...) Full movie, I can see (again: camcorder, DVD recorder, stack of blank DVDs), but was it the full DVD? Did it include any of the special features or menu screens? (...) Maybe. Maybe not. It depends on how much of the concept-to-box production (...) (20 years ago, 2-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | (...) Moving production to to a country with less-ethical business practices might make it easier for people to copy your work, but that would depend on the business you chose. There is production that goes on in China, carried out by reputable (...) (20 years ago, 2-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Can we help? —Bryan Wong
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| | | | (...) Bad form to reply to my own message, but judging from some replies to my posting, I can see that I didn't make myself clear in the original posting. What I meant to say was this: If LEGO moves production to China, expect an enormous amount of (...) (20 years ago, 1-Nov-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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