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Re: New Website Design Test
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Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:59:07 GMT
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In lugnet.castle.org.cw, Anthony Sava writes:
> In lugnet.castle.org.cw, Chris Gray writes:
> > "Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> writes: • <snip>
> > I do have one overall comment, however: I dislike frames in general. They
> > take away one of the most important resources in a browser window: horizontal
> > space. I don't run with my browswer window full screen, I like to have
> > other windows visible around/behind it so that I can do things like cut
> > and paste URL's, etc. The use of frames then makes the main frame narrower
> > than the browser window by the width of any other frames (and the scrollbar
> > the browser puts in since my window is also not full height). A big image,
> > or a wide table or some pre-formatted text then doesn't fit and I have
> > to scroll back and forth (with yet another scrollbar taking up valuable
> > space) to see it all.
> >
> > Another problem with frames is that it is nearly always the case that when
> > someone follows a link out of a frame, the page doesn't do the proper
> > frame resetting, and the new page ends up being shown inside the old frame,
> > and the navigation frame (or whatever) from the old page is still there!
> > That can be quite annoying, especially if you get a couple of the left-over
> > frames stealing a lot of space.
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> In my own defense, I know perfectly well how to prevent any navigation/frame
> errors with links. I also know how to break out of frames and start new
> browser windows.
Just to give another oppinion I also dislike frames quite a bit. It makes it
difficult if not impossible to like to a page without taking it out of the
frame. I have no doubt you can write your pages using frames but in general I
encourage people to not use them.
Also please whatever you do don't start opening new browser windows from links
on your site. That is major annoying and I usually won't even visit a site
that does this. Frames I can deal with opening new browser windows for no good
reason I can't.
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> > Rather than using frames, my suggestion is to make all of your pages have
> > a consistent navigation structure. E.g. in your case, put all of the
> > link boxes and graphics at the top of *every* page. If you can make them
> > a bit smaller, they won't occupy much room. The big difference here is
> > that they aren't stealing horizontal space. The other is that, even in
> > the presence of unclosed frames, they go away when a link is followed
> > to someone else's page.
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> I do have my links at the top of every page, however, I have so many pages
> that my buttons get very cumbersome to have on each.
Let me ask you this...
Is there a need for all the buttons/links to be on every page?
Sometimes all you need on each page is a link back to your home page and
because that should remain static you shouldn't need to worry about any update
problems.
If you think there is a need for all the link/buttons on every page then maybe
frames are a better choice. Again I personally don't like them but if you feel
they give you the best effect and keeps the site maintainable maybe they are
the right choice for you.
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> If I may play devil's advocate, I will have over 15 pages after my next update
> to my page. Frames is a *wonderful* way of being able to update links without
> having to go into every - single - page - which believe you me, isn't
> fun. With frames, I'll be able to update one page, and everything will be
> done. I'm still playing with a vertical frame set, but I have not decided how
> to do that one yet, I have so many pages, that my buttons, at least in their
> present state, might take up a good quarter of the page, if i have them all
> viewable at the same time. Perhaps I will come up with better, smaller
> buttons, but for now, their all I have.
In reality it is a preferance thing. To you Frames are *wonderful* to Frank
and I, I think we both prefer a differant approach.
Good work though,
Eric Kingsley
The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org/
View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/
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