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Re: New Website Design Test
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Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:39:59 GMT
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In lugnet.castle.org.cw, Chris Gray writes:
> "Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> writes:
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> > In lugnet.castle.org.cw, Anthony Sava writes:
> > > I've recently toyed with a new design for my website, I'd be real pleased • if
> > > some of you would give me some feedback on it.
> > >
> > > Here is my current site:
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> > > http://www.geocities.com/savatheaggie/legohome.html
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> > > and here is my demo site (no links are active yet):
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> > > http://www.geocities.com/savatheaggie/VertIdex.html
> >
> > Looks decent, though until more of the site is useable, It's hard to say how
> > well using the frames will work. One comment though, in the right hand • frame,
> > the main page, it looks like all of your images are not showing up. It may • be a
> > case sensitivity issue, but one image is also just named "9".
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> What isn't showing up is the hit counter - likely that's deliberate.
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> Everything looks fine for me using Netscape under Linux. The text is all
> readily readable, and the images look fine. You might make your email
> address into a "mailto" (just use <a href="mailto:user@domain">text</a> .
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> I do have one overall comment, however: I dislike frames in general. They
> take away one of the most important resources in a browser window: horizontal
> space. I don't run with my browswer window full screen, I like to have
> other windows visible around/behind it so that I can do things like cut
> and paste URL's, etc. The use of frames then makes the main frame narrower
> than the browser window by the width of any other frames (and the scrollbar
> the browser puts in since my window is also not full height). A big image,
> or a wide table or some pre-formatted text then doesn't fit and I have
> to scroll back and forth (with yet another scrollbar taking up valuable
> space) to see it all.
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> Another problem with frames is that it is nearly always the case that when
> someone follows a link out of a frame, the page doesn't do the proper
> frame resetting, and the new page ends up being shown inside the old frame,
> and the navigation frame (or whatever) from the old page is still there!
> That can be quite annoying, especially if you get a couple of the left-over
> frames stealing a lot of space.
In my own defense, I know perfectly well how to prevent any navigation/frame
errors with links. I also know how to break out of frames and start new
browser windows.
> Rather than using frames, my suggestion is to make all of your pages have
> a consistent navigation structure. E.g. in your case, put all of the
> link boxes and graphics at the top of *every* page. If you can make them
> a bit smaller, they won't occupy much room. The big difference here is
> that they aren't stealing horizontal space. The other is that, even in
> the presence of unclosed frames, they go away when a link is followed
> to someone else's page.
I do have my links at the top of every page, however, I have so many pages that
my buttons get very cumbersome to have on each.
If I may play devil's advocate, I will have over 15 pages after my next update
to my page. Frames is a *wonderful* way of being able to update links without
having to go into every - single - page - which believe you me, isn't
fun. With frames, I'll be able to update one page, and everything will be
done. I'm still playing with a vertical frame set, but I have not decided how
to do that one yet, I have so many pages, that my buttons, at least in their
present state, might take up a good quarter of the page, if i have them all
viewable at the same time. Perhaps I will come up with better, smaller
buttons, but for now, their all I have.
Anyway, that's my two cents, thanks for the feedback.
--Anthony
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| (...) <snip> (...) Just to give another oppinion I also dislike frames quite a bit. It makes it difficult if not impossible to like to a page without taking it out of the frame. I have no doubt you can write your pages using frames but in general I (...) (24 years ago, 11-Sep-00, to lugnet.castle.org.cw)
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| (...) But please don't start a NEW window, replace the current one. I dislike pages which open new windows when you follow links. Sometimes I want a new window, and if I do, I'll center click in X Windows, or right click in MS Windows. FUT: (...) (24 years ago, 11-Sep-00, to lugnet.castle.org.cw, lugnet.publish)
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| (...) That's good. I don't! I just know it bugs me when the folks who use frames get it worng. I hadn't intended my comments as a direct attack on you or your new page style - my apologies if it came across that way. In fact, I *like* the look of (...) (24 years ago, 12-Sep-00, to lugnet.castle.org.cw)
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| (...) What isn't showing up is the hit counter - likely that's deliberate. Everything looks fine for me using Netscape under Linux. The text is all readily readable, and the images look fine. You might make your email address into a "mailto" (just (...) (24 years ago, 11-Sep-00, to lugnet.castle.org.cw)
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