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Re: Early Castle Wall Components Musings...
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Fri, 26 May 2000 13:47:21 GMT
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In lugnet.castle, Richard W. Schamus writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, Richard W. Schamus writes:
> > > In lugnet.castle, Jason Brown writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richard Schamus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Anyway, my research has led me to find that there were 8 original
> > > > > components before TLC abandoned this idea. I'll list them for you if you
> > > > > are not familiar with these sets. 6034 - Black Monarch's Ghost, 6040 -
> > > > > Blacksmith Shop, 6041 - Armor Shop, 6059 - Knight's Stronghold, 6061 -
> > > > > Siege Tower, 6062 - Battering Ram, 6067 - Guarded Inn, and finally 6074 -
> > > > > Black Falcon's Fortress. One small bit of trivia is that 6081 - Kings
> > > > > Mountain Fortress, has a connection pin in the appropriate spot for • adding
> > > > > to the other sets, it's just a bit low because it's on a baseplate and • not
> > > > > on a full plate. Arguably, this could be considered as a 9th, but it • might
> > > > > be stretching it.
> > > >
> > > > Nitpick! You forgot 6073 Knight's Castle! 6073 and 6074 connect well
> > > > together, too. :) On top of that, 6080 King's Castle and 6085, when
> > > > opened, can both accept wall pieces, although they are on baseplates.
> > >
> > > To nitpick back, yes, if you opened 6073, it does accept the wall pieces, (I
> > > have one you see, so I do know,) but it was not originally designed to do • so.
> >
> > Actually, they *were* designed to do just that. The wall sections were
> > designed to allow you to expand the big castles.
> >
> > > The same with with 6074 and to the same extent as the 6081 with the • baseplate
> > > mounting. To be fair to the castle wall components though, these other sets
> > > were concieved either before or after the concept was initiated and then
> > > abandoned.
> >
> > What exactly do you mean by this? 6080 and 6061, for example, were released • at
> > the same time. Therefore, it seems obvious to me that 6061 was supposed to • be
> > added to 6080 so as to make the castle larger. Alternately, it could've been
> > added to 6073 to increase the size of that castle as well. The castles were
> > designed so that while they could be used stand-alone, they could also be
> > easily expanded. The exact same ideas were behind the release of 6034 and
> > 6059: add-ons to 6085.
> > Which reminds me: Has anyone noticed how 6034 *cannot* be used as a castle
> > wall component (with other stock wall components) in its unaltered form?
> >
> > Jeff
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> I do not believe that the wall pieces we're originally designed to do so. The
> outer cover of the cataloge for 1984 shows all three pieces, and not one of
> them are put "together." The closest is 6061 and 6073 in the same corner of
> the catalog. All three came out at the same time but not one is shown joined
> with another. 6061 would make sense with 6073 but niether with 6080, because
> of the base plate incompatiblity issue.
> I've seen no literature, or illistrations directly from TLC depict that they
> do indeed go together.
> Sure, it makes sense to me that they could expand the opened large castles,
> but you can only stuff so much into them. No, I have trouble buying into the
> idea that this is what TLC intended exactly, with one exception; 6074. It has
> open Technic 2x1 beams along the left and right sides of the entire structure
> implying that you should hook up your wall components.
>
> In the 84 catalog from Germany at least, it implies that you should own all
> the parts, because "your kingdom isn't complete without a siege tower and a
> catapult." In fact, in the 86 catalog when 6074 joins the line with the only
> trade off being 6041 for 6040 and 6074 for 6073, you can see that the only
> thing that they intend with the opening castles is just an opportunity to play
> within.
> You really can't convience me that TLG intended what you say, though it make
> sense for 6073,6074 (inside and on the outside), and the other components.
> (6034 being the odd ball).
>
> Rich
> --
> Have Fun! C-Ya!
>
> Legoman34
While you're certainly right in pointing out the lack of official Lego
literature depicting any two sets being connected with the side pegs, one look
at 6061 has to indicate that that was exactly what Lego intended. 6061, the
siege tower, you'll notice, has a connector peg & holes, but it only folds upon
itself, and cannot connect to itself to make keep, like the proper castle sets
with connector pegs, like 6074, 6080, etc.
Logically, the only reason why Lego would have put peg holes & pegs in a set
that does not use them in and of itself, would be to connect them to other
sets. On a more personal note, when these sets first came out, that is exactly
what me and my friends did with them! We just treated the 'wall' sets, like
the 604-s & 606-s like expansion sets for our 6080s & 607-s!
Kevin
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