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(...) Well, it looks like there is a valid difference of opinion here about which format, and 2 are rather prevalent. I think we should continue discussing advantages and disadvantages and eventually vote on it. I would put my vote in for MPD if (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I thought about that, but I was concerned about the burden of differentiating between comments and random extensions to LDraw (ie, new meta-commands). Maybe LDAO should provide/maintain a list of known meta-commands? Then the Inliner could (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Tim Courtney: (...) MPD. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I'll put in my two-cents: gzip'ed tar files would be an excellent replacement for MPD. And Winzip handles them OK. -gyug (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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The matrix math will not always invert, although if the matrix is a pure rotation (with no scaling or shears) the transpose of the matrix is the inverse. A better solution would be for the inliner to apply a start and a stop tag for each inlined (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I agree. It would be nice to have the capability to do a 'clean' inline. -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 5-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This will be great! Would there be any way to add an option to leave out the file information comments lines of subfiles (or maybe just all comments) when inlining? If you use several levels of subparts when creating a part, then inline it, it (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I think so too. (...) Then there is that. (...) Oops. Quite right. (...) That is assuming the file will be viewable online of course. Which would be a good idea. And, if it uses lugnet to archive them, will be just so. Hmm.... have the server (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Well, you can currently edit MPD files -- if you have LDLite hooked up as the viewer, it deals with the MPD issues. Hmmm. I haven't played around with this very much, I should do so. But I was thinking of a multi-window MPD editor, that would (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Sure! But what kind of support? Aside from "Open Subfile", I mean. (...) :-D Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That was my point exactly: the inline operation applies the transform information from the reference statement on to each of the inlined statements. So cut and paste can only move the modified lines into a file with the same name. (...) That's (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Following up myself to resolve a dangling footnote... (...) [1] In the next version of LDAO, the stand-alone inliner will allow you better control over the inlining process. Specifically, there will be options/buttons to: - Select all subfiles - (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I you're running Emacs, you can use my LDraw-mode to do inlining. And you can even choose the number of decimal places to preserve! It defaults to two, though. Inlining in Emacs has the obvious advantage that you see what you get while still (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Whoops, I almost didn't read that. :-, But a cut and paste won't necessarily restore the origin of the sub-model, will it? My main reason for using sub-models is to place the origin in a weird spot, usually for rotation purposes. I agree that (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:12:49 GMT, legoverse@geocities.com (Terry K) wrote: [Good descriptions of inlining/MPD snipped] (...) And if you use a ZIP archive, you have to unzip. Unzipping is generally more convenient than splitting an MPD, for the user. (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That only works if there is a single inline. And it doesn't actually undo the inline, it just creates a similar subfile. (...) Search the lugnet archive. Jacob's tools are at (URL). Onyx's M-Peedy is at (URL). (...) Generally, yes. You can (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Outlining can only be done with manual intervention, because there's no final delimiter on the inlined code. So the human has to select the code to outline. I *think* the matrix math can be reversed, but I'm not sure. I don't know if there is (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Inlining isn't a format, it's an operation. A file-reference (type 1 line) is replaced with the contents of the referenced file, but the color and transform (position, rotation, scaling) from the original command are applied to each line from (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Info: --- Inlining: Inlining is generally considered a "one-way" process - though the inlined section can be manually cut out and pasted into a separate file if the beginning and end of the inlined section is known. It is directly viewable in (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Not only cutting and pasting, you have to know where the last line of an inlined file is. Scott R Dennett wrote in message <199906021848140350....te.net>... (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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