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(...) I like this idea. Can you support delimiting paths by ';' instead of '|'? ';' is more in line with the delimitation in the PATH environment varible. -Orion (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Sure, I just chose | because ; is allowed in filenames. /Lars (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hey, you're right. I wonder how the Windows PATH variable handles that. Probably it just doesn't work... Anyhow, the unix PATH variable uses ':' as the delimiter (at least with the bash shell). So maybe '|' is better, even though you need to (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I think old Mac's (before MacOSX) use : as directory delimiter. (...) Only the specified directories. It's up to you to specify e.g. LDRAWPOSTDIRS=C:\Som...eDir\PARTS /Lars (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Perhaps the delimiter character needs to be platform dependent? I realize that's not an ideal solution for programs. But I don't think people will be shipping LDraw search path settings between OS's, so it would be alright for users. I don't (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I disagree with the idea of platform specific solutions, especially since we're now thinking about including extra information in the list (such as directives to hide certain paths) to make it more compatible with the list used by MLCAD. If (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Sorry to be a bit harsh now but whats going on here now is exactly what I ment with overkill in discussions. We discuss about a quite simple small usefull feature - but we also discuss how we can make things complicated and beeing a long process (...) (21 years ago, 26-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I think you are being a bit unreasonable. The discussion is about a fundamental functionality of LDraw, which has impact on all programs. Agreement is important to ease the life of the end user: *one* place for setup. We try to accomodate (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I just start a new sub-thread to discuss two very important points where I thought over two nights now: The location of the ini file and environment variables! I would not recommend to go with both solutions, because its source for possible errors (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree. I like the ini file solution over the environmet varible (...) I agree that putting the ldraw.ini the LDRAW dir would make much more sense (why it wasn't in the first place is puzzling) but the problem is that the programs the use it (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Well, the ldraw directory itself can be specified in ldraw.ini. And while I agree that filling up the Windows directory is generally a bad thing, you can't have the file be in the LDraw directory if it is the file that specifies where to find (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree (although I did point something out in a response to Orion's response). Unix (and Unix-like) environments do often use the environment to control things, but they also use dot files. And while it wouldn't make sense to have an (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm only willing to abandon environment variables if you're willing to go the distance and really try to work out a standard that we all can use. I, like Lars, was quite disappointed when you got impatient and cut short the previous discussion (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) Oops, I forgot to add this. These sort of restrictions mean a user may be forced to put extra search directories in their home directory. Rather than recognize $HOME or %USERPROFILE% in an absolute path, it might be nice to add a <HOME> (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) /etc would work, except it would require admin permission to install, which is something the Mac OS X community doesn't like for an installer/app that isn't a system modifying type of installer/app. Saving stuff in /etc/ will also not survive (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac, lugnet.cad.dev)
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One other thing. Environment variables work too, but only serious Unixy Mac OS X people actually modify them--that is, some developers, but no one else. Normal users would even know what they are. Heck, even I don't modify mine. For my l3p and (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Actually Environment variables work pretty well on OS X because they've set up a standard place to put them, and it's one of those plist files. See here for details. (URL) would be nice though to have a standard fallback location for the (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac, lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:HtwMAE.3BM@lugnet.com... (...) Done, sorry about that - but it was a hard day at work :-( (...) As mentioned earlier in this thread ... we should go with: 1) Users Home (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) Oh. I didn't know it was as easy as: ~/MacOSX/environment.plist I guess that is one route. In Cocoa, which is what Andrew and I are both developing in now, it is really easy to grab prefs that have a unique name for the application. It isn't (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Where to store the preferences? While I've been aware of this thread, I haven't actually been following it, so correct me if I've got the wrong end of the stick. (...) MacOS 9 and earlier is a single user environment and it was easy to place (and (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) How will such an installation be laid out? Will users install MLCad on their local machine and MLCad will then first thing ask the user to locate the LDrawDir, which the user specifies as e.g. L:\LDraw or \\server\LDraw ? If the search path (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Here's how I see it working: 1. The admin creates an LDRAW directory on the server. 2. The admin creates extra parts directories under <LDRAWDIR> on the server. 3. The admin creates an ldraw.ini file in the <LDRAWDIR> using the new GUI program (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Lars C. Hassing" <sp.lars@am.hassings.dk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Hu438x.Ko0@lugnet.com... (...) server, (...) They install everything on a NT network, using a server which hold the ldraw library and also a copy of MLCad. I recommended to do (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Hu4BBu.20n4@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) server. (...) file (...) tags (...) Most (...) <BOXES>, (...) %LDRAWDIR%\PARTS\B (...) version (...) Or (...) soft (...) There is also (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) There are all sorts of network mounting tools out there. I'm not sure, but perhaps you're thinking of samba. I've used that from the unix side to be both a client and a server for Windows networks. But there are plenty of other more obscure (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Hu4BBu.20n4@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) tags (...) Most (...) <BOXES>, (...) %LDRAWDIR%\PARTS\B (...) version (...) Or (...) soft (...) Ahhh I didn't see that in the first (...) (21 years ago, 6-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Oh I don't know. I'm still hoping some of these ideas will eventually start to grow on you. Hopefully Lars will write some really nice code that finds the parts search list and somehow associates a list of tags with each directory in the list. (...) (21 years ago, 7-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Hu6s61.1FM9@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) "Snip", you got me two days sleeping ;-) I do not have anything against additional keyword, but I realy do not get what's behind them (...) (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hmmm, I must've put myself to sleep as well. Actually, I've been a bit busy lately. Now what was I trying to say... I guess I was thinking that a <SKIP> tag might be a third choice between <HIDE> and <SHOW>, but after a few days I now think it (...) (21 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:HuD629.DxI@lugnet.com... <SNIP> (...) Ok now I understand, might be a nice idea. The drawback is that it would "only" allow one alternate part enabling not more. I can already (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Exactly. That's what the <CLONE>, <KNEX>, <BOXES> etc. tags I mentioned previously were for. We could work out later whether these are user defined or LSC defined tags. The important part for now would be to agree that <SKIP> means ignore the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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