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Re: Message awaiting authentication
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lugnet.admin.suggestions
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Thu, 27 Nov 2003 02:18:49 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Don Heyse wrote:
> In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Don Heyse wrote:
> > > In lugnet.faq, Neb Okla wrote:
> > > > I don't want to use the web client. It's clunky.
> > > >
> > > > With NNTP, I can read posts offline, choose my NNTP client (thus finding a
> > > > UI that is right for me), etc.
> > > >
> > > > I also know that Lugnet members have a username and password. One would
> > > > wonder then why the NNTP service simply doesn't require a user to login?
> > >
> > > Good question. Are NNTP passwords transmitted in plain text? Perhaps
> > > that's the reason it's not been implemented on lugnet. Or maybe it's
> > > because they want to allow non members in via NNTP. If that's the case,
> > > why not allow members in with a password via a different port?
> > >
> > > > I know this can be done, because I operate one such NNTP server and
> > > > it keeps the Spam and bad people out, and also doesn't require
> > > > cumbersome "approval" messages for every post.
> > >
> > > Then perhaps revisiting this discussion will produce a solution for
> > > NNTP users. Keep talking.
> >
> > Perhaps a clever coder could screenscrape LUGNET's web interface to
> > give posting capabilities from their own private NNTP server fed article
> > stream? (perhaps supplied by the "avid" technology or something? I dunno)
> > Meaning that the screenscraper logged the user in, did the post, and then
> > logged out or similar?
> >
> > I think a sufficiently clever coder could have done it by now if there
> > was a large perceived need.
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> You're missing the point Larry. NNTP is a well supported, standardized
> interface. Because of this, there are many very nice already existing
> NNTP clients. (I remember using EMACS to read NNTP news while editing
> code perhaps 20 years ago). Standardized interfaces are good. Weird,
> one of a kind, screenscraping apps are nifty, but bad.
I'm pretty sure I'm not missing the point, which is that LUGNET isn't actually
standard NNTP and doesn't have standard NNTP needs, for good and valid reasons
according to its owners.
Further, no matter how wonderful a standard is, if it's not the right standard
for the needs, wonderfulness is irrelevant.
> Just a short while ago there was a visually impaired guy on RTL looking
> for help building old lego sets. Lugnet is probably closed to him because
> of the web interface and the non-standard NNTP password authentication
> scheme used here.
How do you figure? He presumably has email, ne? I'm not seeing closure, just
inconvenience.
> A more impressive feat for your clever coder would be
> to come up with a scheme that works, using the standard NNTP protocol
> so that guy can continue to use his NNTP to speach or braille device
> *and* participate on lugnet. I'm still wondering if this could be
> accomplished by simply using a different NNTP port number for standard
> password protected NNTP.
I think you need Todd to speak to why he has chosen to make the technology
decisions he has, assuming he wants to speak to it, but he chose not to support
standard NNTP before. If he doesn't speak to it, that's his perogative.
I'm not someone that says that a private service has to accomodate all users, so
while I'm sympathetic to this person's situation, the existance of such a
situation is not a blank check on someone else's coding time, in my view.
Regardless of what the ADA might say or not say.
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| (...) You're missing the point Larry. NNTP is a well supported, standardized interface. Because of this, there are many very nice already existing NNTP clients. (I remember using EMACS to read NNTP news while editing code perhaps 20 years ago). (...) (21 years ago, 26-Nov-03, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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