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In lugnet.admin.curators, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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The person who made the
post gets to have his say, without ever taking responsibility for himself or
his words by stepping up to the plate and honestly and intelligently
explaining himself. If people are going to make posts, they should expect
that other people are going to respond. My response was valid, and I would
like to see what comes of it, if anything.
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I’d refer you to this post.
Essentially, Kevin said it was a joke because he knows Rob, and Rob told him
it was a joke.
What Kevin said specifically was “Once upon a time, there was a thing called
a “joke”...” and I’m not sure how you have the right to demand that he
explain himself. The explanation would be, presumably, ‘I said it was a joke
because it was a joke.’ Is there need for explanation beyond this?
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Yes. The point is, Rob’s post was not a joke, but rather contained joking
language to make two distinct points: (1.) that he didn’t know ACPin’s name, and
that (2.) that he thought ACPin’s website could use some redesigning. My point
of contention is that Kevin was using an edited version of my post, leaving out
the part with Todd’s quote. My post to Rob was to show him that, in addition to
the two ways Todd told him that he could discover the name of the author of
ACPin’s post, there was a third way, which is to look at the part of the post
that I very clearly pointed out with an arrow. Kevin’s post had nothing to do
with Rob’s main points, one of which my post was answering. Kevin chose to
respond to my post by removing a vital part of it and making some comment
afterwards that not only had nothing to do with my post to Rob, but also taken
by itself added nothing whatsoever constructively to the thread (a thread about
updating the links on the sidebar of the LUGNET Star Wars page).
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I get the feeling you are responding to Kevin’s sometimes caustic posts
elsewhere and his failure (?) to explain this. I don’t think it is
necessarily required here to call him out on this - why not find the posts
that have bothered you in the past and call him out on those?
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If that’s the feeling you are getting, then that’s your prerogative. But, that
doesn’t necessarily mean that anything I’ve said can logically lead you to that
conclusion.
If there has ever been a post of Kevin’s that has bothered me in the past, I
have responded directly to him regarding it. I’m not calling him out here on
some unrelated post that he might have made on some other forum or website
simply because that might be in the back of my mind. That would be
irresponsible of me. Anything I said to Kevin in my posts in this thread was a
direct response to what he said in this thread.
If you say that Kevin has made “caustic posts elsewhere,” then I believe you.
But, to bring that up here doesn’t exactly support any kind of argument for him.
Nor is it appropriate or polite to assume that I might be shallow enough to use
outside, unrelated information as my motivation for posting here. The only time
I referred to anything other that this specific thread when speaking to Kevin
here was at the end of my last message, where I paralleled his posts in this
thread to those he has made in the past on FBTB. But, I was a part of those
threads, and had addressed him personally in them. So, I have every right to
reference those threads, and use them as examples that both he and I will
understand. If the meaning behind this particular outside reference is lost on
others, that is not my fault. This is a discussion between Kevin and I, so it
doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks.
I’m having a hard time with all of this. For some reason, everyone thinks I’m
just leaping out of nowhere, pouncing on Kevin, and trying to trash on him
because of some imaginary hidden agenda. What the heck is going on here? What
do you people think of me? Where have I anywhere in this thread said anything
that is inappropriate or unwarranted given the comments made within the confines
of it? What is with this “lighten up” talk? What does that have to do with
anything? What does that have to do with me? I don’t assume to know much at
all about the little conversations and dramas that go on here at LUGNET, or on
other sites. All I know is FBTB, and the handful of threads I have participated
on other websites from time to time. If there is some kind of insidious past
revolving around Kevin, and some secret reason why people feel the need to
question my motives for making a very simple series of posts here, than I simply
don’t get it. I’m not interested in causing trouble. And, I’m not mad at
anyone. I’ve got more important things to do and worry about, and more fun
things, too. If people want to keep coming out of the woodwork and poking their
noses into this thread, trying to pick apart my posts and put words in my mouth,
then I can’t stop them. But, I would just like to say that I don’t think I
deserve it. If Kevin wants to write back to me, then that’s fine – I’ll be glad
to keep discussing this with him personally. But, it’s when a bunch of
outsiders start tossing their two cents into the mix that things start to get
complicated, messy and uncomfortable. I certainly didn’t do anything on purpose
to make anyone upset. Nor, have I yet to see anyone show me precisely what part
of any of my posts were inappropriate or uncalled for. I’m just a guy who likes
to play with LEGO and talk about LEGO with my friends online. I don’t go out
looking for trouble. I’m not sure why trouble seems to be coming here looking
for me.
As far as I’m concerned, this discussion is over. The truth is, I don’t feel
like defending myself anymore against people I hardly even know, and who hardly
know me well enough to make assumptions as to the quality of my sense of humor
or my ability to keep personal feelings out of a discussion of facts and logic.
If people are looking to pick a fight, go look somewhere else. I’m not
interested.
-Mike
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| -snip a bunch!- (...) Mike, First let me say that I have deep respect for your building ability, and I have wanted to meet you in person for a while. When you said you were going to BrickFest, I cheered. When you said that you couldn't make it, I (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jan-05, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.admin.curators, FTX)
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| (...) I'd refer you to this (URL) post>. Essentially, Kevin said it was a joke because he knows Rob, and Rob told him it was a joke. What Kevin said specifically was "Once upon a time, there was a thing called a "joke"..." and I'm not sure how you (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.curators, FTX)
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