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A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round
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A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round



Macaroni bricks seem like a good choice for modelling the boiler of a steamer, except that it isn’t obvious how to fasten the domes and stuff that are supposed to be on top of it. The building instructions of the above model show how to accomplish that, in about 3.5 different ways. “.5” in reference to how the whistle thing closest to the cabin is fastened: the tan-colored thing that can be seen is supposed to be a string with a knot on it, sqeezed inbetween the macaroni bricks.

The prototype is the Swedish Littera E. As you can see the E class is a locomotive with a rather basic shape without very much fuss. So it was comparatively easy to do justice to it in Lego. For example I didn’t have to think about how to model cylinders, since the original has its cylinders inside the frames.

Apart from not being able to handle switch points or crossings, this model has the peculiar operational restriction of being a “left curves only” model. (Well, it’s actually supposed to manage straight track too... :)) That means that there are sliding axles, both in the locomotive and in the tender, but the sliding driving axles in the locomotive can only slide in one direction. This is particularly true for the frontmost driving axle, which also has a narrower gauge than the actual Lego gauge. The wheelbase is, by the way, slightly decentered to the right, for obscure constructional reasons.

I haven’t been able to test any of this at all though, as I and my lego collection live separated existences these days.

The model contains a propulsion system: a technic motor with battery box in the tender. All completely untested. It may be that the mechanism, which has a lot of cogwheels, is too heavy for the motor. So an extra normal train motor in the wagons might be needed, if nothing else.

The front of the boiler should probably contain some weights as a counterweight to the motor in the cab.

Overall some things perhaps got needlessly complex, like the SNOT and offsets in the tender, and the half-stud offset of the motor inside the cab. But on the other hand maybe complexity sometimes has a value in itself (?)


Credits: The motorization system is a rip off of Ross Neal’s 0-6-0 steamer. Many details are inspired from Ben Beneke’s BR23. Samarth Moray’s open wagon showed how to fasten a window pane used as a ladder.

Comments and questions appreciated.

/Martin


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Re: A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round
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M Nilsson wrote:


A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round

WOW; excellent model, very well done!
I've had a chance to see the real thing recently and your version definately
does it justice. And it's nice to read how your MOC builds on where others
went before you, the way this community keeps improving it's skill level by
cooperating is always great to see. Hope to see more great MOC's from you
soon.
Regards,
--
Jan-Albert van Ree   | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/


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Re: A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round
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In lugnet.trains, Martin Nilsson wrote:
  
A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/mani/LitteraE/ http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/mani/LitteraE/littera_e_steamer100.jpg

Macaroni bricks seem like a good choice for modelling the boiler of a steamer, except that it isn’t obvious how to fasten the domes and stuff that are supposed to be on top of it.
--SNIP--

Macaroni love ;) Although not the first use of macaroni the combination of the curve bricks and macaroni to make ‘circles’ with studs at the top is quite neat.

What I really like about this MOC is the 1x1x2/3 slopes at the top of the tender. Very nice effect and one I can’t remember seeing in that context before.

I also like the 1x1x2/3 slopes to ‘hold’ the end of the boiled and the cowcatcher design (but would prefer to see it studs in rather than out).

Another nice model.

Tim


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Re: A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round
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I like the Space Symbol on the side and the train is cool too : )

M Nilsson wrote:
A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round
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<http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/mani/LitteraE/
<http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/mani/LitteraE/littera_e_steamer100.jpg>>


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Re: A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round
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In lugnet.trains, Martin Nilsson wrote:
  
A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round



Macaroni bricks seem like a good choice for modelling the boiler of a steamer, except that it isn’t obvious how to fasten the domes and stuff that are supposed to be on top of it. The building instructions of the above model show how to accomplish that, in about 3.5 different ways. “.5” in reference to how the whistle thing closest to the cabin is fastened: the tan-colored thing that can be seen is supposed to be a string with a knot on it, sqeezed inbetween the macaroni bricks.

The prototype is the Swedish Littera E. As you can see the E class is a locomotive with a rather basic shape without very much fuss. So it was comparatively easy to do justice to it in Lego. For example I didn’t have to think about how to model cylinders, since the original has its cylinders inside the frames.

Apart from not being able to handle switch points or crossings, this model has the peculiar operational restriction of being a “left curves only” model. (Well, it’s actually supposed to manage straight track too... :)) That means that there are sliding axles, both in the locomotive and in the tender, but the sliding driving axles in the locomotive can only slide in one direction. This is particularly true for the frontmost driving axle, which also has a narrower gauge than the actual Lego gauge. The wheelbase is, by the way, slightly decentered to the right, for obscure constructional reasons.

I haven’t been able to test any of this at all though, as I and my lego collection live separated existences these days.

The model contains a propulsion system: a technic motor with battery box in the tender. All completely untested. It may be that the mechanism, which has a lot of cogwheels, is too heavy for the motor. So an extra normal train motor in the wagons might be needed, if nothing else.

The front of the boiler should probably contain some weights as a counterweight to the motor in the cab.

Overall some things perhaps got needlessly complex, like the SNOT and offsets in the tender, and the half-stud offset of the motor inside the cab. But on the other hand maybe complexity sometimes has a value in itself (?)


Credits: The motorization system is a rip off of Ross Neal’s 0-6-0 steamer. Many details are inspired from Ben Beneke’s BR23. Samarth Moray’s open wagon showed how to fasten a window pane used as a ladder.

Comments and questions appreciated.

This is a very nice effort, Martin! I would love to see it in real life! The macaroni boiler looks fantastic; Ross actually built one with macaronis as well and it turned out looking nice:



Although I believe his was only macaronis on top. I remember black being particularily hard to come by at that time (built 4 years ago IIRC)

AND, yours is 8wide, and nicely “schleimed”:-d Well done!

JOHN


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Re: A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round
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In lugnet.trains, Martin Nilsson wrote:
   Comments and questions appreciated.

/Martin

Hej Martin

Grattis till ännu en tjusig model. Kul med folk som bygger med svenska förebilder. Jag har studerat dina dat-filer och det verkar som du har stor erfarenhet att bygga med riktigt Lego också - stämmer det? Hoppas att du snart kan återfå tillgången till dina bitar.

Vad har du för förlaga när du gör dina modeller - är det ritningar eller bilder? Jag har vissa planer på ett B-lok och var och fotade det som står utställt i Trolhättan i somras. Tyvärr så försvann bilderna när datorn kraschade i höstas, så nu får jag samla nytt refernsmaterial.

Lycka till med nästa modell vad det nu blir (nyfiken)

Mattias


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Re: A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round
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In lugnet.trains, Martin Nilsson wrote:

SNIPPY

Not bad! The whole thing is quite unassuming from the outside, but the internals are packed with good SNOTtery and function! Reminds me a lot of my own WDM-2. I like how you did the buffers on the tender, they’re really cute, apart from the attention to detail on the whole tender itself. One drawback I see is the fact that you’ve used a lot more 1x1 slopes than the average collection would happen to have, but they make up for this with the detail they lend to the model. I hate to point out a design flaw of those window ladders though: The warping they cause on the 1x2 grille tile is probably enough to prevent you from placing anything directly next to that tile. Not entirely sure about this though, since in my model the tile wasn’t obstructed by surrounding details. Another thing that I dislike is it’s ‘limited operation area’, as you put it, as well as the fact that it can run only in one direction since the small battery box doesn’t allow fwd/bkwd motion. I’ve been looking into getting around this by using gearboxes, but so far my lack of experience with technic has limited my success.

One more thing: How DARE you put a Classic Space logo on a train and thereby defile it????? :-P

Legoswami


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Re: A Steamer with a Boiler that actually is Round
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Thanks everybody for your appreciation.

As was pointed out the black 1x1x2/3 slopes currently exist only in the 4418 Dino Pod, which contains three of them. So that would be a lot of Dino Pods! In my defense I can say that I sort of expect them to become more common, seeing how much Lego has used them in different colors in new sets since their invention in 2005.

Frankly I don’t expect the motorization system to work at all, at least not without a lot of tweaking. I can think of a lot of possible problems, and I can think of some improvements to some of those imagined problems, but I’ll simply have to wait and see when/if I try it out in real bricks.

There is probably a problem with fragility as well. I have thought of at least one improvement to that since I posted the model. There is also one error that I discovered with the snot in the tender, and some pieces that were supposed to be there that were simply missing, but both errors are trivial to correct and I don’t know how it got that way in the first place.

As for the the “window pane ladder,” well, there ought to be some way to fasten it, whether it involves brick mutilation, or just doing like this, perhaps putting some fragments of tubing or other non-Lego cruft into the clip too to tighten its grasp of the window pane.

So I’ll upload a somewhat updated version in a day or two.

Talking about mutilation, as a bonus here’s an idea for buffers that I considered, and finally rejected, during the design (those are/were signal horns).

/Martin


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