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Re: Trolley
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Tue, 24 May 2005 02:03:54 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:

<snip>

   I have found one problem.

<snip>

Hey Bruce-

I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white ambassador trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail in Step 6 here. We found that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the this technic element touched, thus preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?

(To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with this piece, attached the train rail to that and called it a day:-)

JOHN


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Re: Trolley
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Tue, 24 May 2005 04:51:53 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:

<snip>

   I have found one problem.

<snip>

Hey Bruce-

I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white ambassador trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail in Step 6 here. We found that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the this technic element touched, thus preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?

IIRC, it’s only a negligible distance. The attachment is reasonably secure. But it can be enough to bother you if you’re a stickler for details. (I know I am!)

Legoswami


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Re: Trolley
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Tue, 24 May 2005 05:11:26 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:

<snip>

   I have found one problem.

<snip>

Hey Bruce-

I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white ambassador trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail in Step 6 here. We found that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the this technic element touched, thus preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?

(To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with this piece, attached the train rail to that and called it a day:-)

JOHN

John,

I didn’t notice this at the time, but when you point it out and I put the pieces together in my head, I can see you are right. I am going to have to take it appart and check if this affects the fit of the other parts.

Thanks,

Bruce


Subject: 
Re: Trolley
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Tue, 24 May 2005 15:37:08 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
   I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white ambassador trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail in Step 6 here. We found that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the this technic element touched, thus preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?

(To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with this piece, attached the train rail to that and called it a day:-)

John,

Thanks for catching this fault in the construction. I failed to notice this error. And, I don’t like it. Rather embarrassing.

Maybe this alternate construction will work using 1x1 headlamp bricks (one stud on the side).

And, Bruce found this solution for fixing the attachment of the front roof.

later,

James Mathis


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Re: Trolley
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Tue, 24 May 2005 21:09:43 GMT
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James Mathis wrote:
In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
I began building a version of James' trolley (mine shall be a white
{ambassador trolley}) and found an issue attaching the upside down
train rail in
<http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1230549 Step 6
here>.  We found that the studs from the train railing and the studs
from the <http://peeron.com/inv/parts/4263 this technic element>
touched, thus preventing a secure attachment.  Did you find this to
be the case?

(To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with
<http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/32063 this piece>, attached the
train rail to that and called it a day:-)

John,

Thanks for catching this fault in the construction.
I failed to notice this error.  And, I don't like it.  Rather
embarrassing.

I've seen many a construction get bitten by the fact that a stud is ever so
slightly taller than 1/2 plate (and it's the stud itself, not the logo - my
simple test for height differences is to match two pieces and then run my
fingernail across, if it gets caught, there's a height difference).

Does LDraw correctly model the height of the stud? Of course you wouldn't
necessarily notice the error even then.

Frank


Subject: 
Re: Trolley
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Wed, 25 May 2005 00:15:32 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:

   Rather embarrassing.

lol I’m telling you that there are dangers to virtual building! :-)

Well, I putzed around with it a little, but I am siccing Ross on the project and told him to have at it, only keeping the overall “feel” of the MOC intact. I might even be able to get him to ldraw his completed efforts.

Pics to come as soon as we can!

JOHN


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Re: Trolley
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Wed, 25 May 2005 15:05:06 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:

   Rather embarrassing.

lol I’m telling you that there are dangers to virtual building! :-)

And, Bruce Chamberlain pointed out another error. The front windows don’t push back as far as I indicate in the virtual model. The 1/2-stud inset of the doors interfers with the front window insertion. Back to the drawing board on that.

   Well, I putzed around with it a little, but I am siccing Ross on the project and told him to have at it, only keeping the overall “feel” of the MOC intact. I might even be able to get him to ldraw his completed efforts.

We’ll put it into the book, if he/you like.

Thanks, Ross.

later,

James Mathis


Subject: 
Re: Trolley
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Date: 
Wed, 25 May 2005 17:29:26 GMT
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Here are some more design modifications thanks to Bruce Chamberlain and Hans-Juergen Gaus.

There was an interference problem with inserting the windows into the 1/2-stud inset doors. Both Bruce and Hans-Juergen addressed this problem in two different ways. Bruce added a layer of SNOT-plates in front of the door (see link above). Hans-Juergen removed the SNOT-plates that hold the grab-bars and instead used a stack of studs-up 1x1 brick. I’m not exactly sure how Hans-Juergen built his, so the instructions above via the Hans-Juergen link are my solution to his design.

later,

James Mathis


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