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In lugnet.trains, Didier Enjary wrote:
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and compressionism just don’t respect the scale... I’m curious about how do
the LEGO train community feel with compressionism ?
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Can’t speak for anyone else, but I see it as just about mandatory to do anything
useable, and still have bricks left over. Replicating every window, every seat,
every rivet is just not possible, so leave some out, as long as the feeling is
evoked you’ve succeeded.
For instance in my diner I have only 3
tables, seating for 6... not very prototypical but it’s still a diner and evokes
the feel of the Super Chief diner.
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Didier Enjary wrote:
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and compressionism just don’t respect the scale... I’m curious about how do
the LEGO train community feel with compressionism ?
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Can’t speak for anyone else, but I see it as just about mandatory to do
anything useable, and still have bricks left over. Replicating every window,
every seat, every rivet is just not possible, so leave some out, as long as
the feeling is evoked you’ve succeeded.
For instance in my diner I have only 3
tables, seating for 6... not very prototypical but it’s still a diner and
evokes the feel of the Super Chief diner.
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Just a thought, brought on by you mentioning leaving windows out.
Some European HO manufacturers compress the length of long coaches in HO. They
do this by having the basic scale of 1:87 but having the length modelled to
1:100. this means that there are (for example) the correct amount of windows but
they are all narrower. Personally I wouldn’t buy them, however my question is:
is it better to compress length by having less windows or the correct number of
narrower ones?
Tim
Yes, I am bored at work today!
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In lugnet.trains, Tim David wrote:
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Just a thought, brought on by you mentioning leaving windows out.
Some European HO manufacturers compress the length of long coaches in HO.
They do this by having the basic scale of 1:87 but having the length modelled
to 1:100. this means that there are (for example) the correct amount of
windows but they are all narrower. Personally I wouldn’t buy them, however my
question is: is it better to compress length by having less windows or the
correct number of narrower ones?
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Less windows, in my view. Typically, most modelers feel compression works better
by having less of a repeating element instead of making the element smaller (you
could do some searching of back issues of model railroad magazines for articles
on this).
I think that’s even MORE true with LEGO where the minimum feature size means
making something smaller means losing detail. If anything I would make a subpart
BIGGER to get more detail in. (referring back to my ATSF rake, the trucks on it
are, I think, overscale, so that I could get two coils and a transverse spring
in)
Good topic!
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Didier Enjary wrote:
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and compressionism just don’t respect the scale... I’m curious about how do
the LEGO train community feel with compressionism ?
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Can’t speak for anyone else, but I see it as just about mandatory to do
anything useable, and still have bricks left over. Replicating every window,
every seat, every rivet is just not possible, so leave some out, as long as
the feeling is evoked you’ve succeeded.
For instance in my diner I have only 3
tables, seating for 6... not very prototypical but it’s still a diner and
evokes the feel of the Super Chief diner.
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Agreed.
Part of the skill (and fun) in building anything real in Lego is to leave in
what is essential to the character and leave out what you can get away with to
ensure functionality.
So, the skill required is beyond simply making something to scale.and arguably a
wider ranging skill than traditional model-making..
I’m certainly a ‘leave this window out but make the others look right’ bloke.
Jon Reynolds
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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Can’t speak for anyone else, but I see it as just about mandatory to do
anything useable, and still have bricks left over.
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Please. Are you implying that you wouldn’t have literally 100,000s of bricks
“left over”? Or are you speaking for anyone else? :-)
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Replicating every window,
every seat, every rivet is just not possible, so leave some out, as long as
the feeling is evoked you’ve succeeded.
For instance in my diner I have only 3
tables, seating for 6... not very prototypical but it’s still a diner and
evokes the feel of the Super Chief diner.
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THESE evoke
the feeling of passenger cars as well, so what is the point? Are you about
“evoking feelings” or trying to copy something as closely as possible? When I
copy something, I try and replicate everything that is possible, not try and
figure out how much I can leave out and still capture the essence of something.
Because then you end up with an eggliner.
YMMV,
JOHN
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THESE
evoke the feeling of passenger cars as well, so what is the point? Are you
about “evoking feelings” or trying to copy something as closely as possible?
When I copy something, I try and replicate everything that is possible, not
try and figure out how much I can leave out and still capture the essence of
something. Because then you end up with an eggliner.
YMMV,
JOHN
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Now they ARE cool!
Tim
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In lugnet.trains, Tim David wrote:
I like mine sunny side up;-)
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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THESE
evoke the feeling of passenger cars as well, so what is the point? Are you
about “evoking feelings” or trying to copy something as closely as possible?
When I copy something, I try and replicate everything that is possible, not
try and figure out how much I can leave out and still capture the essence of
something. Because then you end up with an eggliner.
YMMV,
JOHN
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LMAO! Those are cute!
I HATE it when I walk in late on an interesting thread and everthing I want to
say has been said already :-(
(I hope I don’t offend anyone by posting these links, but IMO, these are
examples where selective compression has gone, well, a bit off.)
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=74791
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=48488
Legoswami
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In lugnet.trains, Tim David wrote:
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THESE
evoke the feeling of passenger cars as well, so what is the point? Are you
about “evoking feelings” or trying to copy something as closely as possible?
When I copy something, I try and replicate everything that is possible,
not try and figure out how much I can leave out and still capture the
essence of something. Because then you end up with an eggliner.
YMMV,
JOHN
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Now they ARE cool
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Eggliners are a good joke...
But to me, they do NOT capture the essence of a train car. There is a place you
have to know where to stop compressing and they went TOO far. That is why in my
ATSF project, I made the cars LONGER than Lego chose to.
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To All,
Interesting discussion. Anyhow,
> (I hope I don't offend anyone by posting these links, but IMO, these are
> examples where selective compression has gone, well, a bit off.)
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> <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=48488>
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> Legoswami
Just to clarify on a few things - this is Stefan Garcia's creation, and IIRC, he
was trying to get a DTI engine with all of his available orange, and this was
the result. Stefan has done some remarkable work such as his Zephyr:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=594116
(I don't know off-hand of a better picture gallery / creation page)
While Stefan has a rather large collection for a young man of his years, he does
not compare with say, Larry P, or me, or others who are in the hundreds of
thousands / millions of parts range and have been buying LEGO items for close to
30 years.
As for compression, I don't know, I have seen some really remarkable building of
both 6 and 8 wide, Steve Ringe does both great, among many others. I try to
entertain any size, since I always felt that LEGO is not a scale that can be
realistic. I tell people at the various shows I am at, we try to make them look
as real as possible, but in truth, if LEGO trains were close to real scale, they
would be what 14 wide, 70-80 studs long, etc.
Scott S.
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Scott E. Sanburn
President - Michiana-LUG / LTC - http://www.michiana-lug.org
Personal Pages: http://www.scottesanburn.org
LEGO Pages: http://www.scottesanburn.org/legoindex.html
Online Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/ssanburn/
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In lugnet.trains, Scott E. Sanburn wrote:
> To All,
>
> Interesting discussion. Anyhow,
>
> > (I hope I don't offend anyone by posting these links, but IMO, these are
> > examples where selective compression has gone, well, a bit off.)
> >
> > <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=48488>
> >
> > Legoswami
>
> Just to clarify on a few things - this is Stefan Garcia's creation, and IIRC, he
> was trying to get a DTI engine with all of his available orange, and this was
> the result. Stefan has done some remarkable work such as his Zephyr:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=594116
>
> (I don't know off-hand of a better picture gallery / creation page)
>
> While Stefan has a rather large collection for a young man of his years, he does
> not compare with say, Larry P, or me, or others who are in the hundreds of
> thousands / millions of parts range and have been buying LEGO items for close to
> 30 years.
LOL, I know its Stefan's, I talk to him online. (I hope he doesn't hold my
posting that link against me o_o) But I was unaware of the story behind the
diesel, thanks for it. I am also aware that he has a big collection, the lucky
devil.
Legoswami
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