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In lugnet.technic, Stump Dunn wrote:
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Hey, I just thought of something. Currently, there’s some
color-standardization in Technic sets- For example 15L liftarms will be dark
bley, and 11L ones are black.
Does this mean that 15L liftarms will *always* be the same color? Or just
within one set? I don’t mind if it’s all in one set- but the idea that
certain parts will only ever be available in certain colors is a bit
disturbing.
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Tim i think you may have missed something and i offer my oppologies, being
australian i find it very difficult to explain the obvious and my use of the
english language is not as good as it could be. That said my use of the
language may not be as subtle as it could be.
Steve
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Being as I’m from the US, perhaps my English isn’t as good as it could be... I
was basically going off-topic. I understand your concern about certain parts
being available in certain colors. But here’s my question:
We currently see axle pins in blue. Not black or any other color (the Tan ones
are a different part, that’s why they are a different color). Does Lego intend
to extend this to other, more general parts? Axle joiners are one thing,
liftarms are another. Liftarms are weird and limiting enough without coming only
in certain colors. If (for example) 15L Liftarms will never be produced in any
color besides Dark Bley... that just suxors. I can handle having all of them in
one set being the same color- as long as they can be a different color in some
other set.
Clearer?
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In lugnet.technic, Timothy P. Smith wrote:
SNIP
> We currently see axle pins in blue. Not black or any other color (the Tan
> ones are a different part, that's why they are a different color). Does Lego
> intend to extend this to other, more general parts? Axle joiners are one
> thing, liftarms are another. Liftarms are weird and limiting enough without
> coming only in certain colors. If (for example) 15L Liftarms will never be
> produced in any color besides Dark Bley... that just suxors. I can handle
> having all of them in one set being the same color- as long as they can be a
> different color in some other set.
SNIP
Sorry for replying to post addressed to someone else.
Since TLC invented "studless" Technic, I thought they were trying to make
something like MERKUR (= metal construction toys, see
http://www.merkurtoys.cz/en/index.htm - click "Sets", then "Parts").
As everybody can see, the color palette for painted Merkur parts is very simple
- and it was even simpler, AFAIK from my sets from 80s/90s.
I'm not happy to see TLG "cloning" Merkur. They are two different systems, two
different meanings of realism: With Merkur, one works with real bolts and nuts,
real steel beams etc. With LEGO Technic, the realism can be seen in design:
color matching gear assemblies, color matching support structures etc. The color
coded parts makes any model look totally unrealistic.
Just my 2 halers,
Martin
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> With LEGO Technic, the realism can be seen in design:
> color matching gear assemblies, color matching support structures etc. The color
> coded parts makes any model look totally unrealistic.
I see two side to this comment.
I completely agree with your comment about colour coded parts distorting the
realism of a set, however i believe some parts do not need to be produced in all
colours such as gears, hence financial saving could be made.
My issue is that there does not seem to be a clear distinction as to what
constitutes a standard part because i don't understand why a 24 tooth crown
wheel could be mistaken for a double bevel ?
Steve
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We currently see axle pins in blue. Not black or any other color (the Tan
ones are a different part, that’s why they are a different color).
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On this, i completely agree. They are two extremely similar parts, and I believe
colour standardisation is needed. However, blue and tan ? Frictionless Axle pins
were grey, Axle pins with friction were black. Easily distinguishable, neutral
colours. Why did they need to change ? For the sake of 2M (lets not debate
weather it should be 2M or 2L) axles and friction pins ? 2M axles at one point
in time were produced in white. neutral, easily distinguishable. All that is
needed is for friction axle pins to be made in something like dark grey and the
other three parts could have remained standard. Blue ? wheres the neutrality in
that.
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Axle joiners are one
thing, liftarms are another. Liftarms are weird and limiting enough without
coming only in certain colors. If (for example) 15L Liftarms will never be
produced in any color besides Dark Bley... that just suxors. I can handle
having all of them in one set being the same color- as long as they can be a
different color in some other set.
Clearer?
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Just like some of the parts that are or will be standardised, i feel liftarms do
not need to be standardised. Wheather or not it occurs is another thing.
Steve
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In lugnet.technic, Stump Dunn wrote:
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We currently see axle pins in blue. Not black or any other color (the Tan
ones are a different part, that’s why they are a different color).
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On this, i completely agree. They are two extremely similar parts, and I
believe colour standardisation is needed. However, blue and tan ?
Frictionless Axle pins were grey, Axle pins with friction were black. Easily
distinguishable, neutral colours. Why did they need to change ? For the sake
of 2M (lets not debate weather it should be 2M or 2L) axles and friction
pins> ? 2M axles at one point in time were produced in white. neutral,
easily distinguishable. All that is needed is for friction axle pins to be
made in something like dark grey and the other three parts could have
remained standard. Blue ? wheres the neutrality in that.
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Dark Bley looks a lot like black in the instructions, I think that was the
thinking there. And I don’t know if white 2L(*) would be any better than red,
from a standing-out point of view.
So, maybe Light Bley for friction axle pins, and Tan for frictionless would have
worked. I’m sure they were looking for cheap colors, since the parts are so
abundant.
(*) I didn’t realize that was debatable. What’s the M stand for? Maybe we should
take this argument to another venue?
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In lugnet.lego, Timothy P. Smith wrote:
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So, maybe Light Bley for friction axle pins, and Tan for frictionless would
have worked. I’m sure they were looking for cheap colors, since the parts are
so abundant.
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I’m guessing they didn’t want to use lt grey because they don’t think kids can
easily distinguish pins and axle pins. “Standard” colour of frictionless pins is
lt grey.
ROSCO
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> I'm guessing they didn't want to use lt grey because they don't think kids can
> easily distinguish pins and axle pins. "Standard" colour of frictionless pins is
> lt grey.
Also, in the distant past TLC has actually produced the non friction
variety of axle pin in black (I own a few myself). Although that probably
doesn't matter to TLC :)
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(*) I didn’t realize that was debatable. What’s the M stand for? Maybe we
should take this argument to another venue?
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“TECHNIC building uses the “module” or “M” as a measurement of length. 1 M is
the distance from the center of one hole on a TECHNIC beam to the center of the
next hole. ”
So a 3 L studless beam is actually 2M
Steve
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In lugnet.technic, Stump Dunn wrote:
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(*) I didn’t realize that was debatable. What’s the M stand for? Maybe we
should take this argument to another venue?
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“TECHNIC building uses the “module” or “M” as a measurement of length. 1 M is
the distance from the center of one hole on a TECHNIC beam to the center of
the next hole. ”
So a 3 L studless beam is actually 2M
Steve
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Ugh. Is that metric? And you only count center-to-center, not the ends?
Leave it Lego to think of something like this.
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In lugnet.technic, Timothy P. Smith wrote:
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In lugnet.technic, Stump Dunn wrote:
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(*) I didn’t realize that was debatable. What’s the M stand for? Maybe we
should take this argument to another venue?
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“TECHNIC building uses the “module” or “M” as a measurement of length. 1 M
is the distance from the center of one hole on a TECHNIC beam to the center
of the next hole. ”
So a 3 L studless beam is actually 2M
Steve
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Ugh. Is that metric? And you only count center-to-center, not the ends?
Leave it Lego to think of something like this.
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That can not be true. For example, if you look at page three of the lego
factory technic section, what we call a 1x3 liftarm thin is described as 3M.
--Peter
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That can not be true. For example, if you look at page three of the lego
factory technic section, what we call a 1x3 liftarm thin is described as 3M.
--Peter
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http://technic.lego.com/technicdesignschool/lesson.asp?x=x&id=1_a
Dont shoot the messenger !
Steve
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In lugnet.technic, Stump Dunn wrote:
> Dont shoot the messenger!
Hmm. That would seem to imply that a 1x3 thin liftarm is, indeed, 3M long. Yes,
"M" is defined as the distance between two hole centers, but the length of the
piece can be cleanly read off the graph behind it - 3M.
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Brian Davis
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