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Re: Studless Technic models
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Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:58:59 GMT
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In lugnet.technic, Steven Lane wrote:
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> > > This studless way of building is IMO much more complicated
> >
> > What's wrong with complicated? :)
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> > Isn't that what makes Technic models more interesting than others?
I'm usually more of a lurker here nowadays, but when this topic came up (again),
I had to add my 2 cents.
Allan, I couldn't agree with you more. Technic is supposed to be more
complicated than other lines. To me complicated = more challenging,
and I like that!
> Your more wrong Allen, than Lego was to change the shade of gray. There are
> few enough really good models posted here already without another level of
> complication slowing us down. We depend on the health of the Technic brand
> with the average consumer. So a system that is simpler to use and more
> universal (studded) is much more preferable to a les flexible, harder to use
> one.
I disagree Steven - see above. I think the Inventor sets, ie.
<http://guide.lugnet.com/set/4090>
<http://guide.lugnet.com/set/4093>
<http://guide.lugnet.com/set/4094>
are the simpler Technic sets, and they use the more traditional
technic beams with studs. The new studless Technic sets are the advanced sets.
> > > and completely different when compared to traditional Lego brick
> > > building. Not mentioning that attaching a beam to 4-5 pins is a pain.
> >
> > Sometimes, but it's also very rewarding when you're done.
> >
> > > really possible that 11 years old could assemble it without problems?
> >
> > My former 11-year-old self could have done it. I can't speak for anyone
> > else.
I believe that my 11-year-old self could have done it too, but obviously much
slower that my 29-year-old self ;) I got my first Technic set in 1984 at
age 10, and built it without problems, so I don't see this being different.
> > > 3) Have anybody of you tried to build studless MOC?
> >
> > Not completely out of studless, but I use them in original creations along
> > with traditional bricks.
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> You should try it. I did, and ended up giving up out of frustration. When I
> switched back to old Lego I impreessed myself the build went so well. And
> before someone else says it yes I could do with more practice with the new
> system but early experiences were dis-encouraging.
I build with as many studless beams as possible nowadays.
Check out my mountain bikes on brickshelf:
<http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=55466>
I will be adding photos of other models shortly,
including a W8 engine with camshafts and working valves :)
I agree Steven; building with studless is not easy - it takes quite a bit of
practice. But I doubt any of us were immediate experts when we first started
building with studded technic beams. It took practice. So will building with
studless. And I think studless beams (and associated parts, like the technic
axle joiner perpendicular <http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/6536>) allow
infinitely more building possibilities.
One of the reasons that I stopped playing with LEGO in the early 90s (and
entered my dark ages) was that I got tired of building with the same beams and
plates - I thought I had exhausted most of the possible combinations. And I
couldn't model intricate mechanisms (landing gears) with the bulky beam-plate-
plate-beams reinforcing technique. The 8448 Red supercar got me back into it.
The 1/2 width technic liftarms (2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 long) and full width ones
allow so many more possiblities. See the front suspension on my mountain
bikes - with studded beams you couldn't even come close to duplicating that in
the same space.
I have most of the new Technic sets, including the Backhoe, and I love the new
elements and new building techniques - I don't think that I could build a MOC
as good as the backhoe myself YET, but you can bet that I won't stop trying!
The mini technic sets - http://guide.lugnet.com/set/8453
and http://guide.lugnet.com/set/8451 - are excellent examples of what's
possible with the new elements. Those mechanism cannot be duplicated with the
old studless beams.
To me, the studless beams represent progress and evolution in TECHNIC. We had
Technic with studded beams from the mid 70's until 1999. Then we had mixed
TECHNIC (8448, 8444, 8445, 8458, 8466, etc). 2003 is the first year with
technic sets that have few studs (backhoe has 30 studs total).
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> > > 4) Should we bother TLC with this issue too?
> >
> > Nope. They have plenty to deal with right now. Studless bricks (and the
> > studded ones that they are still making) are not causing problems that are
> > in any way like the other things that have lost so much money recently.
>
> Wrong again. We should strike while the Lego company is at it's most
> vulnrable. The company is currently rather receptive to what it's been doing
> wrong. Lego's problems {could} have a very posative outcome.
>
> Steve
Absolutely not Steve!!! Why do you have such a strong desire to "kick them
while they're down" ??? They have enough problems now, with the largest loss
in their history, the whole controversy over the new grays, and the unfounded
rumors about Mindstorms and Technic dying.
Just think of the studless beams as progress and evolution of the TECHNIC
product line. Like the 3, then 5, and now 7 long axles. Progress. Friction
axle pins. 3-long frictionless pins. 12, 20, and 36 tooth gears... I think
you get my point :)
build well (with and without studs)
John
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| (...) But this complication is unnecessary and doesn't bring anything new/positive. Rather the other things - studless beams are incompatible with System. That's a major issue. They had to design completely new pneumatics for it. We may also see new (...) (20 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| (...) This is the same point I made earlier. Building with studless is hard therefore possibly damaging it's appeal to the kids who are supposed to be the market for technic. Adult users of Technic are I think very rare. And how with studless do you (...) (20 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| (...) It's obvious to me he means that. (...) Your more wrong Allen, than Lego was to change the shade of gray. There are few enough really good models posted here already without another level of complication slowing us down. We depend on the (...) (20 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)
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