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I think I already know the answer to these questions, but I'm hoping I'm
wrong:
It seems like the pirate-ship masts go together only one way: base-mast,
octagonal "crow's nest" platform, then the upper-mast. Is there any other
useful way to put these pieces together?
Also (or more to the point), is there any way to vary the height of the
masts, other than building taller/shorter bases for the masts to stand on?
Steve
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In lugnet.pirates, Steve Bliss writes:
> I think I already know the answer to these questions, but I'm hoping I'm
> wrong:
>
> It seems like the pirate-ship masts go together only one way: base-mast,
> octagonal "crow's nest" platform, then the upper-mast. Is there any other
> useful way to put these pieces together?
>
> Also (or more to the point), is there any way to vary the height of the
> masts, other than building taller/shorter bases for the masts to stand on?
>
> Steve
Hmmm, there's a mast base, a thick lower section with a built-in base, a medium
section, a skinny top section, and a "technic" section (the Armada Flagship
uses this). I haven't really experimented with trying to get a precise size.
I tend to mount them on an upper or lower deck or a specific base as
appropriate. The limiting item on combinations has been the desired sail more
than anything. As to what works with what - that should take only a few
minutes of experimentation to cover all possiblities.
Bruce
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On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Steve Bliss (<37fe1cee.86097904@lugnet.com>) wrote
at 16:36:47
> I think I already know the answer to these questions, but I'm hoping I'm
> wrong:
>
> It seems like the pirate-ship masts go together only one way: base-mast,
> octagonal "crow's nest" platform, then the upper-mast. Is there any other
> useful way to put these pieces together?
You can lash them together in various ways, just like the real thing.
I've only got the idea in my head at the moment, but you should be able
to use multiple platforms and rigging pieces to reinforce and extend
masts.
>
> Also (or more to the point), is there any way to vary the height of the
> masts, other than building taller/shorter bases for the masts to stand on?
Oops. Just answered this, I think. There are two sizes of base. there's
the small 1 & a bit high version used in the later sets, but there's
also a taller, maybe 8 or 9 high version.
The smaller mast sections will go together quite firmly, so you can get
quite tall structures. I got to at least 30" fairly easily.
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Tony Priestman
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On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:10:39 GMT, "Bruce Schlickbernd"
<corsair@schlickbernd.org> wrote:
> Hmmm, there's a mast base, a thick lower section with a built-in base, a medium
> section, a skinny top section, and a "technic" section (the Armada Flagship
> uses this). I haven't really experimented with trying to get a precise size.
> I tend to mount them on an upper or lower deck or a specific base as
> appropriate. The limiting item on combinations has been the desired sail more
> than anything. As to what works with what - that should take only a few
> minutes of experimentation to cover all possiblities.
Maybe I haven't seen all the pieces then. The only ships I've got are the
6289 Red Beard's Runner, 6250 Cross-Bone Clipper, and the 6493 Flying Time
Vessel (well, it's got a hull and a mast).
6289 has the 4x4 plate/mast base, the large mast section, the skinny top
section, and the 'technic' bowsprit.
6250 only has the 4x4 plate/mast base and the skinny top section
6493 has the 4x4 plate/mast base and the large mast section, I think.
So it appears there's at least one mast-piece I haven't seen yet.
Steve
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In lugnet.pirates, Steve Bliss writes:
> On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:10:39 GMT, "Bruce Schlickbernd"
> <corsair@schlickbernd.org> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm, there's a mast base, a thick lower section with a built-in base, a medium
> > section, a skinny top section, and a "technic" section (the Armada Flagship
> > uses this). I haven't really experimented with trying to get a precise size.
> > I tend to mount them on an upper or lower deck or a specific base as
> > appropriate. The limiting item on combinations has been the desired sail more
> > than anything. As to what works with what - that should take only a few
> > minutes of experimentation to cover all possiblities.
>
> Maybe I haven't seen all the pieces then. The only ships I've got are the
> 6289 Red Beard's Runner, 6250 Cross-Bone Clipper, and the 6493 Flying Time
> Vessel (well, it's got a hull and a mast).
>
> 6289 has the 4x4 plate/mast base, the large mast section, the skinny top
> section, and the 'technic' bowsprit.
>
> 6250 only has the 4x4 plate/mast base and the skinny top section
>
> 6493 has the 4x4 plate/mast base and the large mast section, I think.
>
> So it appears there's at least one mast-piece I haven't seen yet.
>
> Steve
There is a mast base that is 9 bricks tall. It comes in the two largest ships
(Black Seas Barracuda, Skull Eye Schooner) and the Carribean Clipper. You also
get one in the set #6270 Forbidden Island. With it, your masts (3 pieces) can
extend to about 15 inches. There's a black column that you can find in the set
6097 "Night Lords Castle" that you can add to the base section and it will give
you a mast of app. 19 inches long (4 pieces). It looks fairly well that way.
I haven't used it like that but I'm thinking about it. You could possible use
the column piece in place of the taller base piece. It's a lot easier to get.
I'm sure there are other possibilities. Good luck!
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The parts I have seen discussed look pretty complete, so I will only add my
support for the lashing idea.
The tallest mast I use on the Agamemnon starts with the tall mast base, a
main mast, the the smallest of the top mast, to which I have attached one of
the longer topmasts (just snapped together like normal blocks), and lashed
around with a small rope and stud piece, and a lance in the very top. That
gets me around 52cm (20"). Even if I could figure out an elegant way to go
higher, I'm not sure I would bother. At that size the proportional all seem
to work out nicely.
Not only does this work, and look good, its also historically justified.
Lashing mast elements together was quite common on the big ships. Trees
that were tall enough and strong enough did not abound, and even then, a few
minutes with a scurrilous Frenchie, and you might have to be rebuilding your
mast anyway. It was always easier to lash a new mast to the salvageable
section of the old, than to try to remast the ship down to her keel.
If you flick around the site, and focus on the mainmasts of the Agamemnon
and Sutherland, you'll find pics that show the lashing well enough.
Richard
Still baldly going...
Speak to the Governor at http://www.hinet.net.au/~guinan/
PI[so,ig+++ pi++ is,ia-]++ AD++ NI+ TO---- S+ LS- A+ LM- YB66m :-)
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On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Richard Parsons (<FJDJDo.DLJ@lugnet.com>) wrote at
06:44:24
> The tallest mast I use on the Agamemnon starts with the tall mast base, a
> main mast, the the smallest of the top mast, to which I have attached one of
> the longer topmasts (just snapped together like normal blocks), and lashed
> around with a small rope and stud piece, and a lance in the very top. That
> gets me around 52cm (20"). Even if I could figure out an elegant way to go
> higher, I'm not sure I would bother. At that size the proportional all seem
> to work out nicely.
I was playing about last night, and discovered that the tall mast base
is a firm fit on *top* of the thick mast section. So if you've got two
of the bases, you can add an extra 7 1/2" in height at the thick end,
rather than lashing bits to the top. Subject to aesthetic approval, of
course :-)
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Tony Priestman
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Tony Priestman wrote
> I was playing about last night, and discovered that the tall mast base
> is a firm fit on *top* of the thick mast section. So if you've got two
> of the bases, you can add an extra 7 1/2" in height at the thick end,
> rather than lashing bits to the top. Subject to aesthetic approval, of
> course :-)
Hey hey! Something new!
This seems to work a treat _and_ gives you a stable base for building an
extra platform part way up the mast.
I like it. I like it fine. I have a suspicion that Mr Priestman may have
enhanced shipbuilding in the legoverse. Top marks!
Richard
Still baldly going...
Speak to the Governor at http://www.hinet.net.au/~guinan/
PI[so,ig+++ pi++ is,ia-]++ AD++ NI+ TO---- S+ LS- A+ LM- YB66m :-)
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On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:59:19 GMT, Tony Priestman
<Tony@you-rang.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I was playing about last night, and discovered that the tall mast base
> is a firm fit on *top* of the thick mast section. So if you've got two
> of the bases, you can add an extra 7 1/2" in height at the thick end,
> rather than lashing bits to the top. Subject to aesthetic approval, of
> course :-)
Arrrr. So now I know there are other mast-parts in existence, which I
don't have. And if I had them, I could make more really cool ships, with
more varied masts. And all I have to do to get these bits is to buy one or
more copies of the either of the biggest and coolest pirate ships ever (it
looks like only the BSB and SES have the base-column), which go for premium
on auction. Arrrr, indeed.
Steve
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On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 06:44:24 GMT, "Richard Parsons" <rparsons@hinet.net.au>
wrote:
> The parts I have seen discussed look pretty complete, so I will only add my
> support for the lashing idea.
>
> The tallest mast I use on the Agamemnon starts with the tall mast base, a
> main mast, the the smallest of the top mast, to which I have attached one of
> the longer topmasts (just snapped together like normal blocks), and lashed
> around with a small rope and stud piece, and a lance in the very top. That
> gets me around 52cm (20"). Even if I could figure out an elegant way to go
> higher, I'm not sure I would bother. At that size the proportional all seem
> to work out nicely.
Ahhh, that does look quite nice.
Steve
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In lugnet.pirates, Steve Bliss writes:
> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:59:19 GMT, Tony Priestman
> <Tony@you-rang.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I was playing about last night, and discovered that the tall mast base
> > is a firm fit on *top* of the thick mast section. So if you've got two
> > of the bases, you can add an extra 7 1/2" in height at the thick end,
> > rather than lashing bits to the top. Subject to aesthetic approval, of
> > course :-)
>
> Arrrr. So now I know there are other mast-parts in existence, which I
> don't have. And if I had them, I could make more really cool ships, with
> more varied masts. And all I have to do to get these bits is to buy one or
> more copies of the either of the biggest and coolest pirate ships ever (it
> looks like only the BSB and SES have the base-column), which go for premium
> on auction. Arrrr, indeed.
>
> Steve
The 6274 Caribbean Clipper has a base-column, as does 6270 Forbidden Island.
You'll find either a lot cheaper than the BSB or SES. Forbidden Island can
have it stripped out of the existing set the easiest.
Bruce
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On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Steve Bliss (<380233d0.354140113@lugnet.com>) wrote
at 19:04:49
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> Arrrr. So now I know there are other mast-parts in existence, which I
> don't have. And if I had them, I could make more really cool ships, with
> more varied masts. And all I have to do to get these bits is to buy one or
> more copies of the either of the biggest and coolest pirate ships ever (it
> looks like only the BSB and SES have the base-column), which go for premium
> on auction. Arrrr, indeed.
Well, you could try a bit of marauding :-)
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Tony Priestman
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