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Amy & All,
> I'll have a host next week. But first...
Cool.
> Everyone knows HTML. Or has a page editor that knows
> HTML. We can't all write
> it, we don't have the organization in place to do it by
> committee, and we won't
> all get what we want.
Indeed.
> I've offered to arrange free hosting. I'll soon have to
> expend effort and the
> good will of friends to get it. Before I do so I need to
> make the following
> things clear...
All right..
>
> 1) I will be the only one with write access to the site,
> so the home page,
> links page, events page, etc. will be maintained by me.
That's fine by me. Did you see the North Georgia Train Club
layout? That's a nice one. http://www.ngltc.org
> 2) I'd be happy to take suggestions on what should appear
> on the site, and I'd
> even take completed HTML if it's better than mine, but if
> I'm hosting it it
> will follow these rules...
See above for my suggestions, I think that came out nicely.
Clean. I have to find that logo, I have it here somewhere!
> a) No tacky stuff (e.g. bad formatting, animated GIFs,
> huge or unnecessary
> graphics, cookies, javascript, etc.)
Agreed.
> b) Clean HTML (i.e. it must be human-readable,
> well-formatted and contain no
> extraneous garbage - some HTML editors make a mess of the
> code)
> c) No advertising, except for links to LEGO-related stuff
> (e.g. Lugnet,
> lego.com, etc.)
Yes, especially on the front page. I would think that you
can have links on your personal sales site, Brickbay, etc.
Like Larry P. Milton Trainworks, for example. I won't need
to worry about that anymore. : ) If someone has a special
discount for club members or something, we might want to
handle that differently.
> 3) Each member will have a page for personal info, links,
> an optional picture
> or likeness, etc. This information will be gathered by a
> web form and the page
> will be automatically generated, kinda like Lugnet's
> member info pages. This
> automation will take time, so initially the web form will
> email the info to me
> and I'll generate the page. If you like writing HTML you
> can email me your
> complete page, or give me a link to it.
That's cool. I just need a link, you don't want to see my
code for the pages! : )
> 4) Each member *might* have a michlug.org email address
> that will forward to
> your own email address, subject to these restrictions...
>
> a) You can not send email from michlug.org, but you can
> receive forwarded email
> from there.
> b) If your ISP allows, you can use your michlug.org
> address as your return
> address in email.
> c) You can not subscribe to mailing lists using your
> michlug.org address, or do
> anything else that is high-volume. It is up to you to
> ensure your address is
> not spammed to death. I will post guidelines on how to
> accomplish that.
> d) Email received at your michlug.org address that isn't
> specifically addressed
> to you in the 'To' or Cc' fields (e.g. most spam), and
> large attachments (e.g.
> graphics) will be discarded rather than forwarded.
> e) Michlug.org email addresses may be deactivated at any
> time for any reason.
> Michlug.org will not be a service provider, and therefore
> will not have the
> resources to deal with email hassles. Therefore...
> f) It is recommeded you use your michlug.org email
> address only for
> non-critical and non-personal stuff. Like lugnet
> newsgroup posting.
> g) No smut, harrassment, spam or fraud through your
> michlug.org address.
> h) Automated monitoring of these rules may flag email
> that I need to look at,
> so your michlug.org email address is by no means private.
> See (f), above. BTW,
> your ISP does this, too.
> i) In short, handling email can be a huge pain, so it may
> not get done, and if
> it does, it may be rescinded at any time. Don't abuse it.
Heh, well, it's no big deal if we do or don't.
> 5) We'll have 100M of space, which is way more than we'll
> need for our pages,
> so we'll be able to store event photos there. But MOC
> photos should still be
> stored off-site (e.g. brickshelf).
Yes, only event photos should do fine. links can handle
other peoples creations.
> These are the rules, if I'm going to do the hosting. If
> this is unacceptable,
> please tell me before I set it up. The beauty of having
> the domain registration
> handled by someone else (Scott Sanburn) is that someone
> else has veto power
> over what I do. If you don't like the site I create,
> Scott can change the name
> servers on the registration and ZAP - it now points
> somewhere else, under
> someone else's control.
I don't think I have any objections, thank you for the
effort Amy. It all sounds just fine. : )
Scott S.
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Amy,
> Kai sent me a copy (thanks!).
>
> Amy
All right, did you get both of them? (MichLUG and MLTC)
Scott
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Amy,
> In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Scott Sanburn writes:
> > All right, did you get both of them? (MichLUG and MLTC)
>
> Nope, I didn't get the MLTC logo.
Really? The blue Michigan with the white letters that say Michigan Lego
train Club? hmm.. Well, I have one at work, ic an send that to you. I
suppose you have the bridge one for MichLUG, correct? Could you send me that
one, for my own stuff?
Scott
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Amy,
> The one Kai sent was a blue Michigan with the red letters
> "Michigan Lego Users
> Group", found here...
>
> http://www.amyhughes.org/legologo.jpg
>
> How many are there?
>
> Amy
Well, there was a really nice one with the Mackinac Bridge,
and then tere was one, like the link you sent me, except
with Michigan Lego Train Club. I will send that to you. I
will have to search for the other one, it was nice.
Does anyone remember that logo, or am I just drunk? I have
it somewhere!
Scott
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Scott Sanburn writes:
> Amy & All,
>
> > I'll have a host next week. But first...
<snip>
I'm with Scott. While on first read what Amy said may sound harsh to some
folks, the reality is whoever does the work should get a lot of the say, so
I say let's do it Amy's way, she's offered to manage the whole site which is
a lot of work (I have 3 under my wing and the biggest hasn't been touched in
a year now and it shows... it is a lot of work).
As for email, I think it sounds like more hassle than it is worth, so unless
you REALLY want to do it, Amy, I vote against having it at all. I have a
GMLUG email and I don't think I ever use it for anything.
Sure, I'd like to see sponsorship links if people pony up money for them but
that's not a big deal either.
++Lar
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:04:57 GMT
"Amy Hughes" <lugnews@public.atreides.org> wrote:
> In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > Sure, I'd like to see sponsorship links if people pony • up
> > money for them but that's not a big deal either.
<snipped Excellent Advertising "rant" >
I don't think it was a rant, rather a good discussion on
advertising on websites.
I don't want ads on the site either. I think the only thing
would be on members pages, or maybe a special links section
(Michlug members items or something), buried in the site
somewhere. No advertising banners or anything, definately
tacky.
Scott S.
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Sure, I'd like to see sponsorship links if people pony up
> money for them but that's not a big deal either.
The following rant is directed at our brain-dead society, and the advertisers
who think our time and attention are theirs to sell, and not at Larry...
The problem with web advertising is that it doesn't pay well enough to be worth
the bother. Click-through rates for banner advertisements are abysmally low, so
advertisers don't pay diddly. That's why so many dot-coms without a real
business plan, who counted on advertising revenue rather than sales, are going
under. Even the big guys, like Yahoo, are struggling.
How much money is it worth to MichLUG to have tacky banners on our pages that
make the pages take longer to load? Go ahead and put a value on it. Any value
you want. Add to that the cost of getting hosting elsewhere, 'cause I won't
host a site with advertising. Then do the research and see if you can get that
much. If you can get enough advertising money, then go for it.
Why do I hate advertising so much? Why won't I host a site with advertising?
Because there's already too much of it. There's so much of it that it's
becoming a quality-of-life issue. Our society lacks class because we tolerate
so much mindless, tacky *crap*.
I won't insult our visitors by selling their attention for $4 per month, or
whatever paltry sum it amounts to. I'd rather take that much out of my pocket
and keep our site an ad-free zone.
Amy
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Amy Hughes writes:
> In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > Sure, I'd like to see sponsorship links if people pony up
> > money for them but that's not a big deal either.
Whoa, whoa...
<snip banner ad critique (well placed, BTW)>
I wasn't talking about big commercial banner ads. I meant if, say, Scott
decided to pay some significant part of the site costs that there ought to
be a link back to his commercial site on the front page.
THAT'S what I meant (I used Scott as an example although he's exiting the
biz... but I could just have easily used myself and my commercial site,
which is targeted at LEGO hobbyists just as Scott's was).
Hope that clarifies... but again, it's not a big deal.
++Lar
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> THAT'S what I meant (I used Scott as an example although he's exiting the
> biz...
<major snip>
Scott's exiting the business? TSSC is closing? Or just until or you get
situated in South Bend?
-Jason
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Amy Hughes wrote:
<snip awesome anti-advert rant>
You go Amy!
Especially this part:
> Why do I hate advertising so much? Why won't I host a site with advertising?
> Because there's already too much of it. There's so much of it that it's
> becoming a quality-of-life issue. Our society lacks class because we tolerate
> so much mindless, tacky *crap*.
When I started getting advertising on the envelopes of my monthly bills, I
knew the end times were drawing near.
Steve
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