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Re: KDE/new Redhat install (was Re: Has anyone ever been)
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Tue, 4 Jan 2000 03:17:28 GMT
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:54:17 GMT, jasper@janssen.dynip.com (Jasper
Janssen) wrote:

Well, there are generally _much_ more users per server, per admin, and
per company. And they're all clients which have to be treated with
respect. And there'more bandwidth involved.

Ah, ok.  Well, aside from the fact that I treat all my
clients/customers with respect, I agree.  But I tried especially hard
when I was in charge of the network support center for the students on
campus and all our dial-up stuff.  But even then, I wasn't the guy in
charge of the mailhosts, the modem pool, or the various shell boxes.

In general, though, the main difference is that as an ISP you don't
supply things like compute power, notes servers, exchange, etc. You're
in the business of, first and foremost, providing connectivity, 24
hours per day, 7 days a week. ISP business means dealing with telcos,
modem banks, peering points, core routers..

Yup.  I've moved kinda from that to a more corporate-type atmosphere,
although several of our labs are open 24/7, so when I say I keep my
servers running I don't really mean I only need them running from 8-5.

I actually turned down an offer to go to a real ISP (even with 5,000
paying customers I really don't think of UTK as being a "real" ISP -
things do break sometimes and all it really means is people get
complaints - nobody loses their job, hundreds of customers don't
switch to AOL (at $7 per month for students and $11 per month for
staff/faculty it would be a little silly to switch) that sort of
thing) and do real ISP admin stuff earlier this year, mainly because
it was also going to involve a good bit of customer support, something
I'd grown tired of.

And running an ISP solely on NT is pretty much insanity, whereas in
the corporate world, there may be rationalisations. There are ISPs
which run solely NT, but they're the very large ones (like AOL, Verio,
etc.) which think they can afford a bit of inefficiency there.

Heh, I'd never try to do it with NT.  I think NT is fine for what we
use it for, and it's fine for other medium-load stuff.  But I wouldn't
want hundreds or thousands of people to depend on NT boxes to get
their Web fix.  Or to do their online shopping, for that matter,
although far too many stupid companies seem to be going that route.

$Free.

Did you happen to find the name yet?

VNC?  I'll try to find the URL for the SSH-enabled version I wanted to
play with.


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(...) Oh, that usually is the case - but universities and corporate environments do tend to be more forgiving of late-night downtime than ISP, as far as I can tell. (...) You and everybody else in the business, apparently. (...) barney:~$ telnet (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)

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(...) Well, there are generally _much_ more users per server, per admin, and per company. And they're all clients which have to be treated with respect. And there'more bandwidth involved. In general, though, the main difference is that as an ISP you (...) (24 years ago, 4-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)

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