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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.build.vignette, Chris Magno wrote:
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In lugnet.build.vignette, Nelson Yrizarry wrote:
All I read were some valid reasons as to why a head was not the “right one”
then read the “sorry, rulz is da rulz” reply.
I’m just a lurker (in this forum), any maybe I’m missing the inside joke,
but if this is for real, then, I’m saddened.
Yes, one fig head is as low as 4 cents, and several stores have no minimum,
but who’s to say, someone’s situation are not greater than those given.
(Maybe due to underage purchasing power, or lack of ability to set up paypal
acct. (1))
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I tend to agree. Also, the contest should be expanded to anyone who can’t
afford LEGO bricks. Allowing MegaBloks, Tyco, BestLock, and BTR pieces for
the Joe Vig Contest should be allowed. Heck, some might not be able to
afford building block toys at all, so we should expand the contest to include
any building material you can find, including dirt, twigs, and chewed gum.
-Lenny
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(Lone-Clap, Clap, Clap)
Lets hear it for the great orator; Lenny. With sympathy like that, who needs
enemies?
I tried to succinctly explain that I was stunned by a decision that was made,
for what appeared to be, valid reasons. I said “I was saddened.”
Your (in appearance) callous reply, only shows me that the Wide and Embracing
Community that was, is no longer.
Regards
Chris
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Chris Magno wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.build.vignette, Chris Magno wrote:
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In lugnet.build.vignette, Nelson Yrizarry wrote:
All I read were some valid reasons as to why a head was not the “right one”
then read the “sorry, rulz is da rulz” reply.
I’m just a lurker (in this forum), any maybe I’m missing the inside joke,
but if this is for real, then, I’m saddened.
Yes, one fig head is as low as 4 cents, and several stores have no minimum,
but who’s to say, someone’s situation are not greater than those given.
(Maybe due to underage purchasing power, or lack of ability to set up
paypal acct. (1))
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I tend to agree. Also, the contest should be expanded to anyone who can’t
afford LEGO bricks. Allowing MegaBloks, Tyco, BestLock, and BTR pieces for
the Joe Vig Contest should be allowed. Heck, some might not be able to
afford building block toys at all, so we should expand the contest to
include any building material you can find, including dirt, twigs, and
chewed gum.
-Lenny
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(Lone-Clap, Clap, Clap)
Lets hear it for the great orator; Lenny. With sympathy like that, who needs
enemies?
I tried to succinctly explain that I was stunned by a decision that was made,
for what appeared to be, valid reasons. I said “I was saddened.”
Your (in appearance) callous reply, only shows me that the Wide and Embracing
Community that was, is no longer.
Regards
Chris
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Did you post this message because you are “saddened”, or because you wanted to
take a shot at Lenny? If you don’t like the contest sponsors’ ruling, then do
something helpful, like John Neal did. Or maybe sponsor your own contest - one
without rules, perhaps?
Why all the outrage over the fact that a contest has rules and that those rules
were enforced? The response is especially inexplicable given that the situation
seemed to have been resolved quite nicely before it was taken up as a cause
celebre.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Did you post this message because you are “saddened”, or because you wanted
to take a shot at Lenny?
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Did you post this message just to defend Lenny, or because you wanted to take a
shot at Chris?
(And before you ask: Yes, I am posting this because I want to take a shot at
you.)
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If you don’t like the contest sponsors’ ruling, then
do something helpful, like John Neal did.
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Why? It seems John’s already posting the mandated head.
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Or maybe sponsor your own contest - one without rules, perhaps?
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Good idea. I wonder what this mysterious contest could be about...
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Why all the outrage over the fact that a contest has rules and that those
rules were enforced?
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If you don’t understand why, maybe you need to think more deeply about it.
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The response is especially inexplicable given that the
situation seemed to have been resolved quite nicely before it was taken up as
a cause celebre.
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That’s what I thought too... until you started demanding that Chris imitate
John.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richie Dulin wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Did you post this message because you are “saddened”, or because you wanted
to take a shot at Lenny?
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Did you post this message just to defend Lenny, or because you wanted to take
a shot at Chris?
(And before you ask: Yes, I am posting this because I want to take a shot at
you.)
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To defend Lenny (whose reply I found amusing) and also Nelson, who’s being
painted as some sort of bad guy for enforcing the rules of his contest. Why
would you want to take a shot at me?
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If you don’t like the contest sponsors’ ruling, then
do something helpful, like John Neal did.
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Why? It seems John’s already posting the mandated head.
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That’s why I said “like”. It was an example.
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Or maybe sponsor your own contest - one without rules, perhaps?
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Good idea. I wonder what this mysterious contest could be about...
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I guess it can be about anything. To make and enforce rules would be
mean-spirited, apparently.
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Why all the outrage over the fact that a contest has rules and that those
rules were enforced?
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If you don’t understand why, maybe you need to think more deeply about it.
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The response is especially inexplicable given that the
situation seemed to have been resolved quite nicely before it was taken up
as a cause celebre.
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That’s what I thought too... until you started demanding that Chris imitate
John.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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I don’t think it’s really that complicated. The
rules are clear and were
fairly enforced; Linus gracefully accepted the ruling; John is helping him
comply with the rules. What’s the problem?
Marc Nelson Jr.
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I don’t think it’s really that complicated. The
rules are clear and were
fairly enforced; Linus gracefully accepted the ruling; John is helping him
comply with the rules. What’s the problem?
Marc Nelson Jr.
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My sentiments as well. I’m glad the rules are enforced, which ensures that this
contest is more enjoyable in the end. There really is no need for a greater
debate than that.
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Linus Bohman wrote:
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My sentiments as well. I’m glad the rules are enforced, which ensures that
this contest is more enjoyable in the end. There really is no need for a
greater debate than that.
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While there is no need for debate for this particular example I don’t think it
is entirely unneccesary. The debate goes beyond the current example into the
wider realm of contests, rules, strict interpretations, internet manners etc.
Just because this particular example is resolved for the parties concerned
doesn’t mean there isn’t legitimate grounds for a general debate.
Tim
PS. As it stands I agree with Nelson that rules of competitions should be
enforced, if only because some people may make great efforts to follow them and
making them more flexible diminishes those peoples efforts.
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
SNIP
Marc, I will endeavor to be as simple as I can in my reply, I hope you will be
able to read deeply into the answers, as short as they are.
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Did you post this message because you are “saddened”,
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Yes.
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or because you wanted
to take a shot at Lenny?
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YES.
(best 6 year old voice I can muster)
HE started it!!!!
(end best 6 year old voice I can muster)
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If you don’t like the contest sponsors’ ruling, then
do something helpful, like John Neal did.
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If I had one of those heads I would have also made an offer. After the first
offer was made, any further offers would be moot.
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Or maybe sponsor your own contest -
one without rules, perhaps?
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I routinely hold contests with many lose and vague rules, all with the guidance
of a simple phrase “Spirit of the game.”
Ergo, to see other strict rule enforcement within the WEC made me “sad.”
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Why all the outrage over the fact that a contest has rules and that those
rules were enforced? The response is especially inexplicable given that the
situation seemed to have been resolved quite nicely before it was taken up as
a cause celebre.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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There was no “outrage,” I simply said I was “saddened” then promptly forwarded
this to O.T.D. to show my respect to the forum, and contest. The outrage
happened when people reply to my post with sarcasm.
If you want sarcasm just let me know.
Chris
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Chris Magno wrote:
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> If you want sarcasm just let me know.
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> Chris
Me! Me! Me!!! I want sarcasm!!!!!!
If it was my contest, and only if it was my contest, I would have stated in 'da
rulz' that Joe Vig has to be composed of such'n such colour of torso, legs, and
use Ron's head.
*However*, I would have also specified that, in lieu of Ron's head, you could
use the classic smilie face 'cause that's all there was from '78 until a few
years back--and if people stopped pruchasing LEGO in the past decade, they would
not have had any minifig head besides the classic smilie face.
See, the torsos and legs that make up Joe Vig have been around since mini-figs
began. Ron's head--not so much. I think that's a legitimate consideration.
Sure, Ron's head is easily purchased from Bricklink (or given, as John so
wonderfully demonstrated). That said, 20ish years of 1 smilie face should also
be deemed sufficient.
But that's just me.
Dave K
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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Did you post this message because you are “saddened”, or because you wanted
to take a shot at Lenny?
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Dear Mr. Jr., (both you and Dear Sir Hoffman actually), you make it in such an
unbearable fashion that, it is almost impossible not to want to take a shot...
at both of you..:-)
with my warmest embraces,
Selçuk
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
> *However*, I would have also specified that, in lieu of Ron's head, you could
> use the classic smilie face 'cause that's all there was from '78 until a few
> years back--and if people stopped pruchasing LEGO in the past decade, they would
> not have had any minifig head besides the classic smilie face.
I stopped purchasing Lego before 1978, and I *demand* to be able to
submit a Joe Vig contest entry using my blank-faced and armless old
minifigs. With a police hat, not the fancy brown male hair from 1979.
I also see the need for an alternative using only regular bricks to
build Joe, in case someone stopped purchasing Lego before the early
1970's and feels left out.
We also need rules for a 2:1 scale 16x16 vig where you don't need
to have access to the fancy new 1xN slim bricks introduced in the
sixties.
Seriously, I doubt that anyone on Lugnet has *stopped* buying Lego.
I did stop before 1978, but I soon started again, when Technic
took off and became a good excuse to keep buying.
In my opinion, a vignette entry and any other public posting is
a good and welcome *reason* to buy a few extra pieces.
But I can quit any time I want. Really. Just not right now.
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