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OK, I hope I get this picture image thing right...
Here are a few pics of my newest MOC, a compact keep which is the first part of
my new castle project. Thanks to Abe Friedman for taking pictures at last
weekened's WAMALUG meeting.
The keep from the outside:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=540917
I have since made the windows in the corners of the octagonal turrets much
narrower.
...and showing the interior, what will be the great hall:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=540918
It is sort of hard to see, but in the upper right hand corner, squeezed into the
square tower is a spiral staircase and a toilet. On the first floor there is a
entrance chamber where an intruder is exosed to fire from holes in the ceiling
and wall.
PLMKWYT!
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Hi,
yes, very nice moc !
the interior is very cool - the "chimney" looks great !
why did you use brown and no grey plates for the roof ? I thought the
norman`s build them out of stone or lead.
But maybe an early keep... :) very nice compact work.
Kai
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:29:40 GMT, Magnus Lauglo <thunder_road@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> OK, I hope I get this picture image thing right...
>
> Here are a few pics of my newest MOC, a compact keep which is the first
> part of
> my new castle project. Thanks to Abe Friedman for taking pictures at last
> weekened's WAMALUG meeting.
>
> The keep from the outside:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=540917
>
> I have since made the windows in the corners of the octagonal turrets
> much
> narrower.
>
> ...and showing the interior, what will be the great hall:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=540918
>
> It is sort of hard to see, but in the upper right hand corner, squeezed
> into the
> square tower is a spiral staircase and a toilet. On the first floor there
> is a
> entrance chamber where an intruder is exosed to fire from holes in the
> ceiling
> and wall.
>
> PLMKWYT!
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Kai,
Thanks for the comments.
> yes, very nice moc !
> the interior is very cool - the "chimney" looks great !
Thanks, its a design I've used ina couple of MOCs before.
> why did you use brown and no grey plates for the roof ? I thought the
> norman`s build them out of stone or lead.
> But maybe an early keep... :) very nice compact work.
I had the impression that ceilings/floors weren't generally made out of stone
until around 1200 or so. I'm sure it would have varied as all castles were
different.
The keep isn't completely historically accurate. It was pointed out to me later
that machicolations, murder holes etc, might not have appeared by the Norman
period. I've also hear conflicting things about whether a stone keep was
actually safe on top of a motte (represented by the raised baseplate), or
whether it woud have been too heavy. I know that some mottes were topped by a
shell keep instead, which is like a sort of very high and think circular wall
and is less heavy. But overall I'm quite pleased with it, now I just need to
figure out how I want to expand my castle.
cheers
Magnus
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In lugnet.castle, Magnus Lauglo wrote:
> Kai,
>
> Thanks for the comments.
>
>
> > yes, very nice moc !
> > the interior is very cool - the "chimney" looks great !
>
> Thanks, its a design I've used ina couple of MOCs before.
>
> > why did you use brown and no grey plates for the roof ? I thought the
> > norman`s build them out of stone or lead.
> > But maybe an early keep... :) very nice compact work.
>
> I had the impression that ceilings/floors weren't generally made out of stone
> until around 1200 or so. I'm sure it would have varied as all castles were
> different.
>
>
> The keep isn't completely historically accurate. It was pointed out to me later
> that machicolations, murder holes etc, might not have appeared by the Norman
> period. I've also hear conflicting things about whether a stone keep was
> actually safe on top of a motte (represented by the raised baseplate), or
> whether it woud have been too heavy.
I like the moat as a natural "defenceline" the most ! :)
> I know that some mottes were topped by a
> shell keep instead, which is like a sort of very high and think circular wall
> and is less heavy. But overall I'm quite pleased with it, now I just need to
> figure out how I want to expand my castle.
>
> cheers
>
> Magnus
Expand the castle : what about a nice siege scene with lots of evil knight in
front of the castle :)
Kai
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Kai,
> I like the moat as a natural "defenceline" the most ! :)
I'm not sure if you understood, the "motte" (as opposed to "moat") was the
steep, often man made made, hill that early castles were often built on top of.
I know that sometimes when a wooden motte and bailey castle (wooden fort with a
big wooden tower on top of a hill/motte) was replaced by a stone castle, there
were problems with the stone keep being so heavy that it sunk into the motte,
and this is what I was refering to. It probably depended a lot on how big and
heavy the keep was, how big the motte was and - if the motte was man made, if
the earth had had time to settle properly first, which would have taken many
years. I hope thatmakes sense.
On the topic of moats, I would love to build a castle with one, but I don't know
if it really is doable, are there any pics of lego castles with moats?
> Expand the castle : what about a nice siege scene with lots of evil knight in
> front of the castle :)
Eventually it would be great to do a siege display. Right now I'm trying to
figure how to do the curtain wall, which buildings I want to fit in, and that
sort of thing. It all has to fit on my dresser in my room, which means it needs
to fit onto a 2 by 4 baseplate size area.
Magnus
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In lugnet.castle, Magnus Lauglo wrote:
> Kai,
>
> > I like the moat as a natural "defenceline" the most ! :)
>
> I'm not sure if you understood, the "motte" (as opposed to "moat")
> was the
> steep, often man made made, hill that early castles were often built on top of.
> I know that sometimes when a wooden motte and bailey castle (wooden fort with a
> big wooden tower on top of a hill/motte) was replaced by a stone castle, there
> were problems with the stone keep being so heavy that it sunk into the motte,
> and this is what I was refering to. It probably depended a lot on how big and
> heavy the keep was, how big the motte was and - if the motte was man made, if
> the earth had had time to settle properly first, which would have taken many
> years. I hope thatmakes sense.
I realy knew what you ment, the early wooden "castles" where build on motte's -
until they were to big/heavy... as you described before. I just wrote my
favorite kind of making the surrounding of a castle - a moat. :)
>
> On the topic of moats, I would love to build a castle with one, but I don't know
> if it really is doable, are there any pics of lego castles with moats?
yes - there are some - evertime you see a drawbridge there should be a moat -
mostly made my placing the castle a little bit higher than the ground under the
drawbridge. sometimes it looks only like a little river - but if the "river"
surrounds the castle - you've got the moat ( hehe ).
I've made the "white lion castle" simply on green plates - in the back huge
rocks so the castle looks more realistic and not to flat on the ground.
for the siege scene it will be places on blue pvc sacks so the surrounding
"river" will be visible...in front of the castle ( other side of the drawbridge
) there will be the evil falcon's in bloodrush attacking the castle ;)
> > Expand the castle : what about a nice siege scene with lots of evil knight in
> > front of the castle :)
>
> Eventually it would be great to do a siege display. Right now I'm trying to
> figure how to do the curtain wall, which buildings I want to fit in, and that
> sort of thing. It all has to fit on my dresser in my room, which means it needs
> to fit onto a 2 by 4 baseplate size area.
>
> Magnus
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In lugnet.castle, Kai Gerkens wrote:
> yes - there are some - evertime you see a drawbridge there should be a moat -
> mostly made my placing the castle a little bit higher than the ground under the
> drawbridge. sometimes it looks only like a little river - but if the "river"
> surrounds the castle - you've got the moat ( hehe ).
>
> I've made the "white lion castle" simply on green plates - in the back huge
> rocks so the castle looks more realistic and not to flat on the ground.
> for the siege scene it will be places on blue pvc sacks so the surrounding
> "river" will be visible...in front of the castle ( other side of the drawbridge
> ) there will be the evil falcon's in bloodrush attacking the castle ;)
I guess something like that would work with your keep, but I dunno if I'll be
able to make a moat on mine, on the outside of a curtain wall.
BTW I never got around to complimenting on your keep, I love the way it opens up
and the way you've done the interior. Very nice indeed!
Magnus
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In lugnet.castle, Magnus Lauglo wrote:
> are there any pics of lego castles with moats?
Shoot. I wrote a big long post after going through and finding pictures on
Brickshelf, but my browser crashed and the post was lost. Grr.
Anyway, I can think of 3 ways to build moats:
1. Castle on green baseplates, blue plates on top of the plates. This looks
nice, but defies physics with the water higher than the surrounding land.
Here's a great MOC by Jonathan Hunter:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=406825
2. Castle on green baseplates interspersed with blue baseplates for the water.
More physically realistic (though in constant danger of a flood, with the water
level right at ground level), but you are stuck with a lot of straight lines.
Here's an example from Dusan Jeftinija:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=318252
3. Build up the land on top of a blue baseplate. This gives the best effect
(IMO), but it is much more intense because you have to build up your land at
least a brick level across the whole area, and then build your castle on top of
that. This example isn't a moat, but imagine if Anthony had built the water
portion to go all the way around the castle rather than a stream running past:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=501981
Again, there are no fully reallized moats here, but Takeshi Itou has sublime
examples of castles that incorporate water elements:
http://home.att.ne.jp/apple/hachi/ce_ga_le17a.htm
4. Not a moat, but many great examples build a castle on an island set in the
middle of blue baseplates. See this great recent example by Jason Spears:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=551512
Imagine building up land surrounding the castle leaving about 8 - 12 studs worth
of water around the island and you'd have a moat.
Bruce
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Hietbrink wrote:
> Shoot. I wrote a big long post after going through and finding pictures on
> Brickshelf, but my browser crashed and the post was lost. Grr.
I hear ya, I hate when that happens to me.
> 3. Build up the land on top of a blue baseplate. This gives the best effect
> (IMO), but it is much more intense because you have to build up your land at
> least a brick level across the whole area, and then build your castle on top of
> that. This example isn't a moat, but imagine if Anthony had built the water
> portion to go all the way around the castle rather than a stream running past:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=501981
> Again, there are no fully reallized moats here, but Takeshi Itou has sublime
> examples of castles that incorporate water elements:
> http://home.att.ne.jp/apple/hachi/ce_ga_le17a.htm
>
> 4. Not a moat, but many great examples build a castle on an island set in the
> middle of blue baseplates. See this great recent example by Jason Spears:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=551512
> Imagine building up land surrounding the castle leaving about 8 - 12 studs worth
> of water around the island and you'd have a moat.
These are the two solutions I'm most intersted in, but obviously they are the
hardest to get right. I've also been thinking of a dry moat, filled with stakes
perhaps, but this would possibly be even more parts intensive.
I've thought about using the raised baseplates somehow, if you put two of them
next to one another, you do get a 6 brick deep depression where they meet, which
could work as a moat, but it isn't that easy gettng the rest of the terrain to
look right.
Thanks for the pics.
Magnus
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In lugnet.castle, Magnus Lauglo wrote:
>
> These are the two solutions I'm most intersted in, but obviously they are the
> hardest to get right. I've also been thinking of a dry moat, filled with stakes
> perhaps, but this would possibly be even more parts intensive.
That'd be really cool. Maybe a bunch of spears set into 1x1 round bricks stuck
to the bottom of the moat.
> I've thought about using the raised baseplates somehow, if you put two of them
> next to one another, you do get a 6 brick deep depression where they meet, which
> could work as a moat, but it isn't that easy gettng the rest of the terrain to
> look right.
Yeah, I generally avoid the raised baseplates because it's hard to get them to
fit with the rest of the landscape.
Oh, one thing on the third and fourth examples above, you pretty much have to
build the ground first and then the castle on top of it. At least I haven't had
any luck sticking large prebuilt buildings down onto built up ground. This
gives you the advantage of having more interesting architecture if your
structure is built on a slope. The disadvantage is that your ground has to be
pretty sturdy if you're going to build on top of it. Otherwise you press down
too hard and you knock a hole in your ground and the pieces fall down inside.
For example, when I built this:
http://www.ozbricks.net/bricktales/lotr/lotrplaces/lotrplaces09/lotrplaces09-07.html
that upper right part is pretty flimsy and I had to be very careful when
building on top of that. On the other hand, when I buit this:
http://www.ozbricks.net/bricktales/lotr/lotrplaces/lotrplaces09/lotrplaces09-04.html
the ground is pretty solid underneath (basically there are lines of rectangular
burps under the layer of plates), so I could put a fair amount of pressure on it
when building the hall.
Bruce
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> The keep from the outside:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=540917
This is a great MOC.. im not much into historically accurate buildings or
whatever, but it looks good to me. a very dynamic castle.
thanks for sharing!!
-lenny
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In lugnet.castle, Magnus Lauglo wrote:
> OK, I hope I get this picture image thing right...
>
> Here are a few pics of my newest MOC, a compact keep which is the first part of
> my new castle project. Thanks to Abe Friedman for taking pictures at last
> weekened's WAMALUG meeting.
>
> The keep from the outside:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=540917
>
> I have since made the windows in the corners of the octagonal turrets much
> narrower.
>
> ...and showing the interior, what will be the great hall:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=540918
>
> It is sort of hard to see, but in the upper right hand corner, squeezed into the
> square tower is a spiral staircase and a toilet. On the first floor there is a
> entrance chamber where an intruder is exosed to fire from holes in the ceiling
> and wall.
>
> PLMKWYT!
Magnus, this is very nice!
Cool keep, considering it was built on a CRAPP (Crummy Ramp and Pit Plate)
plate. For some reason, the extra-tiny turrets feel so appropriate for this. The
way you made those arrow windows above the door is fascinating! The green floor
is well, a bit strange, but overall it's great!
Oh and BTW, what's that hinge you got near the door?\
Cheers,
Dean
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In lugnet.castle, Dean R. Hennen wrote:
> Magnus, this is very nice!
>
> Cool keep, considering it was built on a CRAPP (Crummy Ramp and Pit Plate)
> plate. For some reason, the extra-tiny turrets feel so appropriate for this. The
> way you made those arrow windows above the door is fascinating! The green floor
> is well, a bit strange, but overall it's great!
>
> Oh and BTW, what's that hinge you got near the door?\
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dean
Dean,
Thanks for your kind words. Funny, I have always liked that baseplate myself, it
gives the illusion of a castle being up on a hill of some sort, and I find it
tends to work with buildings of this size. I wanted something which would be
make for a compact but retty detailed keep, and the turrets just seem to fit
naturally into the corners.
Maybe I'll try make the floor a new colour, but the problem is that by adding a
plate to the floor, I get into al sorts of problems about doors not opening and
stuff. I'll see if I can look into that though...
That hinge thing close to the inner door on the wal is actually just to hold the
second floor in place when I lay that down. I haven't doen interiors yet, so it
didn't seem worth getting a pic of the second floor yet.
cheers
Magnus
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Hey Magnus,
Very cool. Could you show some detail pictures to show how you made the arrow
slits?
Bruce.
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Hietbrink wrote:
> Hey Magnus,
>
> Very cool. Could you show some detail pictures to show how you made the arrow
> slits?
>
> Bruce.
Bruce,
Hey, don't have a detailed pic of that, but those were really easy. I just used
the 1 by 2 plate with a single stud on the top, and offset a 3 stud long brick
over a four stud brick, and then built it up 2 or 3 bricks or so. I hope this
makes sense. The only problem with this design is that you have to do the arrow
slits in pairs, unless you can hide one of the slits behind an intersecting
wall.
Magnus
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Super Cool Magnus, there are a lot of new ideas and concepts in this picture,
and I love every one. The arches, the arrow slits, and murder holes built into
the facades are really awesome. This is one of the coolest things I've seen in
a while. Really awesome! jon Furman
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In lugnet.castle, Magnus Lauglo wrote:
Nice work. I like the wood floors in the towers. Also, an attrative use of
that baseplate. I look forward to the finished product.
Jason Spears | BrickCentral | MichLUG
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