 | | Help writing LDraw's history —Willy Tschager
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| | | Hi folks, as you might know LDraw's history: (URL) been updated for a long time. With permission from BrickJournal publisher Joe Meno I'm going to mirror an article published in BrickJournal, Spring 2006, Volume #1, Issue 4, which covers also the (...) (16 years ago, 28-Feb-08, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce)
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| | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | Here are the LDView highlights for that time period (two of which are already on your list). It's up to you what level of detail to take from them: 2005-12-13: LDView 3.0 released with whole new rendering engine that is generally faster than LDView (...) (16 years ago, 28-Feb-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | (...) That's not actually true. BrickDraw3D ((URL) it. However, BrickDraw3D was last updated on Nov 23, 2002, so it seems to be a project that's no longer in development. --Travis (16 years ago, 28-Feb-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | | | (...) I believe that Mac Brick CAD also preceded it, but that project's home page is now gone, so it's difficult to get a history. Also, ldglite was probably compiled on the Mac prior to BrickSmith's release, but I'm not sure how many people use (...) (16 years ago, 28-Feb-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | (...) That's right. I also did the Mac port of ldglite before BrickDraw3D. (16 years ago, 29-Feb-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | (...) The LSC summary page that the above entries were taken from is in reverse chronological order. You'll want to put them back in chronological order to avoid confusion. Same thing for the 2007 LSC activity. --Travis (16 years ago, 28-Feb-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | (...) * Official part library update on Dec 28. --Travis (16 years ago, 28-Feb-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | DATHeader was first released on 28.09.2006 with Version no. 1.01 Last release was in 2007 on 05.12.2007 with Version no. 1.15 cu mikeheide (16 years ago, 28-Feb-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | (...) -snip-> (...) Was there a James Jessiman Memorial Award presented for 2007? Cheers Richie Dulin (16 years ago, 3-Mar-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | --snip-- (...) I'm very sorry to say that due almost entirely to my disorganisation it has been heavily delayed. With luck we should have an announcement soon. Tim (16 years ago, 3-Mar-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | (...) [...] Willy, Good summary of the past couple years. Two things I'd love to see are: 1) A side-by-side timeline of development and milestones for various LDraw tools. Somewhat like a Gantt chart. 2) A feature matrix of the various tools and the (...) (16 years ago, 9-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Willy Tschager
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| | | | (...) Hi Tim, any help is much appriciated and I'd love to see such a graphic along with the history. Best would be if our code gods could reply to this post and list the release dates of their tools. w. ps. I really should word the missing years (...) (16 years ago, 9-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | (...) Here's a quick list of what's on LDraw.org right now. The pieces of data that will help make this chart are: Program Name (below) URL Author Release Date Version Dates Major Milestones Current Version Current Version Release Date Here's the (...) (16 years ago, 12-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX) !
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| | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | (...) If you just have version and release date columns, authors can add one row for each release. Please add me to the list, I will add the txt2dat info. Use the email I used to post this reply. ROSCO (16 years ago, 12-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Sounds good. Invite sent. -Tim (16 years ago, 12-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | (...) LDView's URL is (URL). You can find LDView's version history here: (URL) The major releases all have their version number in a larger font and bold, and are x.y (as opposed to x.y.z). They are as follows: 0.1: 03 Jun, 2000 (Initial public (...) (16 years ago, 12-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Travis, Thanks for posting this info. I think it's OK to have more than 5 dates, in fact, since I'd like to take this and visualize it somehow complete info is better. I can always cull it down to make it more visually presentable if needed. I (...) (16 years ago, 12-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | | (...) OK, I added the info to the doc. I also created a Miscellaneous column, where I entered the two release dates that I didn't put in the other spots (for 0.1 and 2.1). Oh, and I resized the URL column to fit the URL I entered. Other people (...) (16 years ago, 12-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Travis, I'm filling in a little myself right now. You're the only one who filled in data in the "milestone" columns. You interpreted that as version numbers. I think it makes more sense to name the colums "VersionNumber#" to correspond with (...) (16 years ago, 14-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | | (...) OK. I rearranged mine to make 0.1 the "Original Release". I pushed other versions over and replaced 0.1 in the Misc column with 3.1. Also, I didn't like the spreadsheet stripping of the .0, so I added a v prefix to all my version numbers so (...) (16 years ago, 14-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks. Not sure on the string bit. For starters I'd like to get the data filled out to the point where I can work on graphing it with Excel, Numbers or possibly even Illustrator. I'm not as concerned with the string for that reason as I'll (...) (16 years ago, 17-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Good news - I found an XML based dynamic timeline generator. I've plugged in a couple dates on my local machine, and I'm testing for how to deal with events and spans aesthetically. I'll post it when I have a bit more info filled in, then we (...) (16 years ago, 18-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Here is my working file of the timeline: (URL) It's not 100% to what's in the spreadsheet, but it gives a good idea of what's possible. The system has some limitations. I'm not able to add the individual version dates as points along a span, (...) (16 years ago, 19-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) With some further playing, I started adding a few events. That goes beyond the scope of software tools. I don't know how to create a separate band for events or even if it's possible. I like the idea of having one for software only. It gives a (...) (16 years ago, 19-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | (...) Timeline of software tools and timeline of events should be in a separate document. For the timeline of software tools I would like to have a point at every version change (like the initial you have already in the spreadsheet) and a blue (...) (16 years ago, 19-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) I agree with you on each tool being a line, or at least groupings of tools being together. However I haven't figured out how to get the timeline to do that just yet. It seems to me that it takes the next available space for a line. You post (...) (16 years ago, 19-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | | (...) snip (...) snip (...) I could not get the prog to do what I want. It places the events on the line it wants, not like I want. I did not find a way to tell the prog that I want some events on the same line. I think for what we want to do this (...) (16 years ago, 19-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | | | (...) Can't you just make the end date of the current release of any software be some point in the future? Then, make the end date of each previous version one day before the release date of the next version. If it's doing what it sounds like based (...) (16 years ago, 19-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | | | | (...) Never mind. After playing with it, I see that it doesn't want things that occur in sequence to be at the same vertical location. --Travis (16 years ago, 19-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | | This was the best I could come up with: (URL) I created one big event for LDView spanning from its original release until Dec 31 2010, and then created a point event for each release. --Travis (16 years ago, 19-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Hmm, yeah I'm a bit disappointed in how it doesn't let you group events so they show up in the same place horizontally. So, if we want to use this in its current state, we'd have to drop the version dates which isn't good. I hope the group (...) (16 years ago, 20-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) The alternative timelines I've checked out have either fewer features or don't display as nicely as we'd want for this. The original seems to be the best so far, and is really only lacking a couple features to make it ideal. Is anyone here (...) (16 years ago, 25-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | (...) I entered the MLCad dates that Willy posted into the XML building off of Travis' LDView input. I also grouped LDView and MLCad items within comments. The idea would be to push out a new version of the script that renders the timeline to (...) (16 years ago, 30-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | Hey, before this history thread drops completely outta site... Is there any way to restore the historical LDraw and LEdit tutorial that used to be available here? (URL) (16 years ago, 5-May-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Orion or Willy may be able to. I don't believe I have a local copy of the files and don't know what happened with the article. If all else fails, I hope Bram has an archived copy. -Tim (16 years ago, 5-May-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | (...) it. -Orion (16 years ago, 5-May-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | (...) Fixed. -Orion (16 years ago, 5-May-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | (...) Nothing can be found in that file that helps us. You have to go to the project page and then you have all files for download and there are a lot. As far as I understand the code the file that has the code that we have to change is here, but I (...) (16 years ago, 5-May-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) I did some more digging on the project homepage and found the name of the creator. I sent him an email directly (vs the prof. over the project). We'll see what happens there. Otherwise, I've been meaning to have a friend or two look into the (...) (16 years ago, 6-May-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Here is the response I received via email: (...) If anyone wants to take a look at the code, please do. I'll have some friends look when I have the opportunity. -Tim (16 years ago, 8-May-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | To keep moving this forward, I asked a LinkedIn question on the topic seeking help from a JS developer. This gentleman was kind enough to put a few cycles into it. Here are the results. I'm posting the question/answer thread in reverse chronological (...) (16 years ago, 13-May-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Jean-Marc came back to me today with an interesting solution I think might work. See (URL) Click on MLCad's ball, then "Details" within the window. The specific versions will appear in the large band below. What does everyone think about this? (...) (16 years ago, 13-May-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Philippe Hurbain
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| | | | | (...) One great tool is missing from this list: Quad2dat ((URL) BTW, it would be fine if it was added to LDraw download list! Philo (16 years ago, 12-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Philo, I added a line for Quad2DAT and also gave you access to edit the sheet. Please fill in pertinent info. To submit to the LDraw downloads, I believe you can enter that yourself once logged in to the site. Then one of the site admins will (...) (16 years ago, 12-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | (...) I have just put a spreadsheet online with the datas for DATHeader MPDCenter OMRMaker You can found it here:(URL) (16 years ago, 13-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks, Mike. I've copied/pasted the data over, and also filled in info for a few of the rows myself. I also sent you an invite so you can be a collaborator on the spreadsheet. Feel free to research and fill in info for other programs! -Tim (16 years ago, 14-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Seriously, who is highlighting these posts? Look at the .cad sidebar. Weird. -Tim (16 years ago, 14-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX) !
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| | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Willy Tschager
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| | | | (...) This is a list of MLCad's release dates (there is little chance that Mike would post it himself): 3.20 - 2-Jul-2005 3.11 - 6-Jul-2004 3.10 - 13-Jun-2004 2.12 - 2-Mar-2002 2.11 - 1-Dec-2001 2.10 - 17-Sep-2001 2.00R4 - 10-Jul-2001 2.00R3 - (...) (16 years ago, 14-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: Help writing LDraw's history —Tim Courtney
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| | | | (...) THANK YOU. I used the start/end for the beginning/end of MLCad in the current timeline. Want to code these up in the XML format and email or post for me to include? Mike Heide suggested using start/end points for each version so there's a line (...) (16 years ago, 19-Apr-08, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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