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Re: 9v Update (ILTCO's involvment)
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lugnet.trains
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Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:36:29 GMT
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> I think this is a great thing that Eric has taken on.
> Someone needs to get the ball rolling, and he appears to be doing just that.
> As far as ILTCO goes, what exactly is the status of things there?
> There doesn't ever really seem to be anything going on there. I am the rep for
> NELUG, and have access to most of the mailing lists, but quite frankly, it's
> quite stagnant over there. There haven't been posts on most lists for months,
> some years, and it makes me wonder, what IS the purpose of ILTCO?
> All we hear about is that things are being worked on "behind the scenes" and
> that when it can be shared with us it will be, but that time never seems to
> come. I know there are NDA's and all that, but if ILTCO wants to be the focal
> point for the community, then this stuff needs to come through faster than the
> trickle we seem to get.
> So if information is able to be given out through other means than "normal
> channels" I say, let's take that information, and do with it what we can,
> because I have the feeling we would be seeing plastic track on the store shelves
> long before we got any information through "normal channels"
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> Tom D
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> In lugnet.trains, Steven Barile wrote:
> > * “Could you please explain why ILTCO is the normal channel for such issues?“ -
> > Didier Enjary
> > ILTCO is operated under a democratic process. All 33 member clubs are equally
> > represented and receive communications at the exactly the same time thru the
> > mail lists. One of the six ILTCO goals was to provide LEGO a single point of
> > contact so that LEGO can make announcements, sneak peek pictures, etc. and it
> > would reach all the clubs and in most cases the general public at the same time.
> > This is what I mean by "normal channel"
> >
> > It has been for the last 3 years that the train topic information flowed thru
> > ILTCO out to the community. I don't see us as being a bottle neck but rather a
> > conduit, which I hope you all agree with. When Jake left LEGO he seems to have
> > neglected to reassign his personal contacts in the community (beyond the
> > Ambassador program) to Jan and Steve. So as a result this information came thru
> > the Ambassadors.
> >
> >
> > * "Do you think Eric has overstepped his bounds by launching the save.9vtrains
> > website?" - Didier Enjary
> > There are no "bounds" or jurisdiction as far as ILTCO is concerned. ILTCO is
> > made up of a collection of clubs (Eric's included), so that we can have a
> > central repository for train related materials (www.ILTCO.org) and a way to
> > easily communicate with each other (in the form of the Assembly mail list).
> >
> > Do we need another train web site and discussion form when there is Lugnet and
> > www.ILTCO.org? I tend to think that fragmenting sub-topics dilutes the message
> > and lessens the appearance of solidarity of the train AFOLs.
> >
> >
> > * “Showing support for other forums will go a long way to prove that ILTCO is
> > not trying to rule the world of LEGO Trains (an image that I know you are trying
> > to avoid).” - Jude Beaudin
> > ILTCO has 33 member clubs world wide (330 individual members), all have voting
> > rights and equal access to posting messages, news items and articles on the web
> > site. ILTCO is not trying to rule the world but rather be the democratic hot
> > spot in the center of the train AFOL universe... THIS IS AN IMAGE WE ARE TRYING
> > TO MAINTAIN!
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> > SteveB
> >
> > ILTCO Goals
> > The purposes of this Organization shall be:
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> > 1. the promotion of good fellowship and communication among LEGO model
> > railroading enthusiasts; and
> >
> > 2. the promotion and dissemination of knowledge about LEGO model railroading,
> > through online resources, meetings, publications, and libraries; and
> >
> > 3. the supporting of the formation and growth of LEGO Train Clubs; and
> >
> > 4. the cultivation of L-Gauge as a recognized model railroading hobby standard;
> > and
> >
> > 5. the establishment of comprehensive communications with The LEGO® Group /
> > LEGO® Direct, NMRA, hobby publishers, train show organizers, and the like; and
> >
> > 6. the representation of the interests and concerns of the LEGO Train community.
Steve, thank you for your answer. This discussion makes stuffs clearier.
You know I'm a true ILTCO supporter. I deeply hope the way you (we) see ILTCO
will become reality, and yes some very good things have been accomplished yet.
But Tom is right : ILTCO doesn't work as it should and that is, IMHO, a
communication issue. ILTCO is perceived as not being active !
I say perceived.
Another point :
As an LA, I'm now aware that people under NDA over-censored themselves. (Signal
Trains members , LAs, MPD guys)
They no more dare to share ideas and prefer start thread that might or should be
public (or at least open at large) on private groups. ILTCO, Lugnet, and other
places suffers from this. That's a guess, that's my opinion.
The way I see this community has always been to share ideas and to connect
people. ILTCO is part of this.
Didier
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