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Re: AI, AI & AC (OT)
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lugnet.robotics
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Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:33:10 GMT
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Andy Gombos <gombos_2000@SPAMCAKEyahoo.com>
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I think that everyone who thinks that to have intellegence you must have a
computer communication system. Look at what Bert van Dam did, and only using the
RCX. More complicated, independent robots could be built, but everyone sees the
home computer as a barrier.
Andy
Jon Kongsvold wrote:
> > Jon Kongsvold wrote:
> > >
> > > Everybody today is talking about Artificial Intelligence. I think • this is
> > > only one of (at least!!!) three different elements our mind is using:
> > >
> > > AI: Artificial Intelligence
> > > AI: Artificial Intuition
> > > AC: Artificial Consciousness
> >
> > Why do all of these begin with the word Artificial? Don't you mean to
> > say that our mind operates with "intelligence", "intuition" and
> > "consciousness"? What exactly is the difference between Artificial
> > Consciousness and "real" Consciousness?
>
> Yes, I think it is important to differentiate between these three "modes of
> thought". I think they are among the more important parts of our mind, and
> that it won't be a bad idea to copy nature into our programs and robots.
> The reason I think we use the word Artificial in front of them is a
> psychological defense. I don't think the human race is ready to accept we
> aren't (or rather, won't be forever) the most intelligent/conscious species
> on the planet, we are not yet ready to be ruled by our own creations.
> As I wrote, I think we already have intelligent and intuitive
> programs/robots, though not conscious. But when we do, I am not sure what
> the difference would be or how we could detect it. If you read Allan
> Turing's "Computing machinery and Intelligence" it will show the fuzziness
> of this boundary, and propose the famous Turing Test for giving an answer
> (which might not be correct) to that question.
>
> > It is easy to >say< that a computer uses artificial intelligence, while
> > a person uses "real" intelligence - but what's the difference?
> > Put a real insect next to a robotic insect and they could
> > behave almost identically (the physical motion might be crude, but
> > the behavior, or "intelligence", could be just as complex)?
>
> Not much difference, if you focus only on the subject the computer has
> knowledge about. In fact, I think I made it clear in my previous posting
> that I believe that machines are intelligent. Even more intelligent than
> humans in some situations. But they are very specialized in their
> intelligence and not at all conscious (which is the Holy Grail I am
> searching for).
>
> > Are there two kinds of intelligence, intuition, and consciousness or
> > just one?
> > If there are two kinds of each, what is the difference?
>
> I think intelligence is built on intuition (and memory). Intelligence (like
> adding numbers, playing chess, doing IQ-tests) is nothing more than
> intuitive pattern recognition that filters the input from the world to
> symbols the brain can use to easier compute answers. And my best bet on
> what consciousness is, is sort of the intuition doing a loop with some
> sensory input for each round. So there is no difference, intelligence is
> just a (higher) form of intuition and consciousness is just intuition that
> too. And intuition is basically pattern recognition.
>
> > I like to think of artificial intelligence as "natural (and/or human)
> > intelligence
> > and behavior expressed in a computer language".
>
> I agree. So now we just have to make artificial consciousness too, but it
> seems nobody knows how to express that in a computer language.
>
> Jon Kongsvold
>
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