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Re: URL characters
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Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:29:36 GMT
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Todd Lehman skrev i meddelandet ...
> In lugnet.publish, Anders Isaksson writes:
> > Despite this, all (?) Swedish ISP:s use the tilde in user names (see sig.)
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> > I think the main problem is that US keyboards/users doesn't care for the
> > rest of the world, while the rest of the world have to care both for
> > themselves and the US. (On of my pet peeves: US chauvinism...)
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> Me too -- I know what you mean. And the cluelessness about non-U.S.
> conventions is IMHO even worse than the chauvinism...
Agreed, but in my vocabulary 'clueless' rings harsher than 'chauvinist', am I
totally out of line there?
> One thing to remember, though: The A in ASCII does stand for American. :-)
I don't have all the messages in the thread left (and am off-line, as usual),
but I'm sure my message never mentioned ASCII, but ISO (which means
International Standardization Organization, or something like that) :-)
> Say, I've got a user-interface question about the ~ keyboard thing. Do you
> *have to* type Tilde-Space to get a plain tilde (meaning ASCII character • #126),
> or can you type Tilde-Tilde (which is probably 1/10 second faster) to get a
> plain tilde? Also, when typing Tilde-Space, if you accidentally forget to • let
> up the Shift key before hitting Space, is Tilde-Shift-Space interpreted the
> same as Tilde-Space?
Firstly, we have two different Alt keys on our keyboards, the left one is
'Alt', the right one is 'Alt Gr', and it's 'Alt Gr' to get the tilde, not
Shift. Now let's check...
~ (Alt Gr)Tilde-Space 1T, no space
~ (Alt Gr)Tilde-(Alt Gr)Space 1T, no space
~~ (Alt Gr)Tilde-(Alt Gr)Tilde 2T (Naturally!)
In fact Tilde-Anything comes as 'Tilde' 'Anything' *except* for Tilde-Space
and the few letters that can have a Tilde on top (ñ Tilde-n, õ Tilde-o, ã
Tilde-a).
To make (C-)programming even worse for us Europeans, the brackets {}[] also
use (Alt Gr), because our national characters åäöÅÄÖ occupy the keyboard space
where they are 'normally' located (I'm actually *happy* if I can find an
English keyboard when programming in C!). And ^(caret) is also a 'dead key'
like ~(tilde), so you never know if you pressed it until you press the next
key!
No wonder Pascal was invented in Europe!
Sometimes I even think the French have done the right thing (for once) with
their keyboards:
They have the upper row (with numbers and special characters) turned upside
down, so you use Shift to get the digits, and all the special characters are
reached unshifted! The numerical keyboard is always normal, so you have both
digits and everything else without shifting (OTOH, they have swapped a few
letters, just to make sure they differ from everybody else :-)
If you want a really different experience, you should try a Russian keyboard,
with both Cyrillic characters, and our ones (but on completely different
locations!)
(Ah, the memories...)
--
Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://user.tninet.se/~hbh828t/proglego.htm
Gallery: http://user.tninet.se/~hbh828t/gallery.htm
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| (...) We have two different keyboard configurations here, "q" and "f". In the first one, letters are all located as a "qwerty" layout with a few additions like ç ö ü and some others that you can't see if I type, and almost all the special (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| (...) Oh, not at all -- that's exactly what I meant. U.S. cluelessness about non-U.S. conventions is even worse than U.S. chauvinism. At least chauvinists know that other conventions exist. :-) (...) Yes, but the reason ISO-8859-1 (for example) has (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| (...) That sounds really useful! Although, as Todd mentions, would take a while to get used to... (...) Or try a hebrew keyboard. The english characters are on the same places. But when you switch the drive to hebrew, you get totally different (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| (...) Me too -- I know what you mean. And the cluelessness about non-U.S. conventions is IMHO even worse than the chauvinism... One thing to remember, though: The A in ASCII does stand for American. :-) Say, I've got a user-interface question about (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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