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Re: TXT-file question
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Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:39:16 GMT
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David Eaton <deaton@intdata.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
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> In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Thomas Wölk writes:
> > <snip>
> > > (1) - After being refused training (people in those departments didn't
> > > have the time to train me), I was left to write programs with only help
> > > pages on NT batch and an internet full of helpful examples. I ended up • with
> > > a 50K+ batch program with clickable, dynamic menus, and lots of other • wacky
> > > advanced things that should NEVER have been done in NT batch code (this
> > > was back in 1997 or so). But it was admittedly pretty cool.
> >
> > <snip> and <sigh>
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> > oh dear, yup those were the days, writing simple batch files and people
> > calling you a programer.
>
> Oh, I would usually scoff anyone who called themselves a programmer for
> having written batch code, but this stuff was fully fledged programming.
wasn't saying batch coding is programming. the stress was meant to be on
"simple" and on the mistaking batch coding for programming. maybe a ;-)
would have made my intention clearer.
> My boss had me doing testing on a linker that was written for a DSP. It • started
> as "maybe you could run the linker tests all at once with a quickie batch
> program" (which wouldn't really have been much 'programming'). But soon it
> turned into "maybe we could have various test suites to run and have the
> batch program auto-detect whether each test passed or failed". Which • turned
> into "maybe we can add some flexibility into the pass/fail to detect how
> specifically it failed, and have some additional logic to accept 'mild'
> failures versus 'critical' ones, etc". Which turned into "Maybe we can use
> this to test other things other than just the linker, and make it test
> various programs dynamically on dynamically written test suites".
surely sounds familier. i remember these "maybe we can add this"
suggestions, well i still get them all the time.
> I'm still amazed that no matter how often I asked, my boss just didn't • want
> me "spending time unnecessarily translating it into C++ or VB". I was
> spending so much time doing crappy little work-arounds to make it do • simple
> output parsing and the like that it woulda been less time to rewrite it in
> C++. Oh well.
"spending time", i keep "wasting" time because some tool that i suggest is
not bought that would be way cheaper than what i cost fixing the probleme,
besides from keeping me from doing what i thought i was hired for.
> > but i'd rather agree to suggest some fancy notepad clone.
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> Yep. There's easily gotta be easier ways than messing with batch. Batch IS
> technically capable of doing what you want (probably) but wow is it ever a • pain.
>
> DaveE
still a simple batch file
- click-done -
and that under windows without memory gulping pixel monsters decorating the
screen.
but of course the right tool for the right problem - something that ought to
be taught at school. allthough this might over populate any harddisk sooner
or later. being able to let go of old stuff when it becomes useless might
help. -
mind me i'm not claiming to have any such virtues.
maybe a little anecdote to me programming:
the only time i would say i came near to what I'd call programming was when
i wrote some 20 or so lines in basic to calculate the change of temperature
through different building materials. i spend some weeks on this and was
quite proud others used my program and thought it usefull. only a month or
so later i got my first spreadsheet, msworks for dos, within minutes i had
build a sheet doing the same thing
and a lot easier to handle
and with more functions,
plus throwing out a little graph.
i never touched a programming language after that again.
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i did build a clumsy javascript on the same subject later though (really
ought to redo that one)
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and now there's nqc and the like stretching out their arms for me.
argh all those old dreams of building robots now becoming possable and this
old "oath" hindering me to come to terms with programming languages -
- and i always thought dreams come true would make life easier
- i need more time
- i need more bricks (or money - no, rather bricks)
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think i'll better go to bed now
tw
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