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Re: to LEGO factory : You are not being fair.
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In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Mark Near wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Ed Andrews said some stuff:

Is this an accusation? If so, I wish you would state it plainly and I can send it to Mr. Blackwell for his answer. In the mean time,

http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,94624,00.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/091104Fitrakis/091104fitrakis.html

http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1699&dept_id=46371&newsid=12379941&PAG=461&rfi=9

Quoting the above acticle. “Of Ohio’s 88 counties, 69 will use punch cards, 13 will use scanners and six will use electronic voting, though not Diebold machines.”

Our county voted with the usual punch cards and there were two Democrats and two Republicans at my precinct, there to safeguard the voting process. AFAIK, no electronic Diebold machines were used anywhere in Ohio.


Take it however you want. Let’s see a little gay marriage diversion here, a Republican Secretary of State there and look, I got me a second term. So where are we? Still divided as ever and under the first Republican controlled Presidency, Senate and House since Hoover. Yep 1929 stock market crash Hoover complete with the 78 rpm playing “Happy days are here again” in the distance. Oh well, time to squander my kid’s future with another $300 middle class tax break. Life goes on, let’s just not pretend it’s fair.


Was The Ohio Election Honest And Fair? Institute for Public Accuracy www.accuracy.org 11-3-4

Interviews and Background

TERESA FEDOR (via Greg Lestini glestini@maild.sen.state.oh.us)

Ohio State Senator Teresa Fedor said today: “There was trouble with our elections in Ohio at every stage. It’s been a battle getting people registered to vote, getting to the ballot on voting day and getting that vote to count. There is a pattern of voter suppression; that’s why I called for Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell’s resignation more than a month ago. Blackwell, while claiming to run an unbiased elections process, was also the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio. Additionally, he was the spokesperson for the anti-business, anti-family constitutional amendment ‘Issue 1,’ and a failed initiative to repeal a crucial sales-tax revenue source for the state. Blackwell learned his moves from the Katherine Harris playbook of Florida 2000, and we won’t stand for it.”

BILL MOSS bmoss@hbcuconnect.com

Executive vice president of HBCU Connect, which works to connect historically black colleges and universities, Moss said today: “I stayed in line two and a half hours. I’ve never seen anything like this in my life. There were fewer voting machines in the highly concentrated black areas, creating the long lines so as to frustrate the voters. But we knew the Republicans -- many of whom became Republicans because they opposed equal rights for blacks -- would try to drive down black turnout. ... Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell was confusing things by raising issues like the paper weight of cards.”

SUSAN TRUITT susan.truitt@lexisnexis.com http://www.caseohio.org

Co-founder of the Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections, Truitt said today: “Seven counties in Ohio have electronic voting machines and none of them have paper trails. That alone raises issues of accuracy and integrity as to how we can verify the count. A recount without a paper trail is meaningless; you just get a regurgitation of the data. Last year, Blackwell tried to get the entire state to buy new machines without a paper trail. The exit polls, virtually the only check we have against tampering with a vote without a paper trail, had shown Kerry with a lead. ... A poll worker told me this morning that there were no tapes of the results posted on some machines; on other machines the posted count was zero, which obviously shouldn’t be the case.”

DAN WALLACH dwallach@cs.rice.edu http://www.cs.rice.edu/~dwallach, http://www.accuracy.org/pressreleases/PR062104.htm

Wallach is an assistant professor of Computer Science at Rice University in Houston specializing in building secure and robust software systems for the Internet. Along with colleagues at Johns Hopkins, Wallach co-authored a groundbreaking study that revealed significant flaws in electronic voting systems. He appeared on an Institute for Public Accuracy news release in June entitled “Electronic Voting -- Danger for Democracy.”

BOB FITRAKIS rfitrakis@cscc.edu

An attorney who monitored the election with the Election Protection Coalition, Fitrakis said today: “There were far fewer machines in the inner-city districts than in the suburbs. I documented at least a dozen people leaving because the lines were so long in African-American areas. Blackwell did a great deal of suppressing before the election -- like attempting to refuse to process voter registration forms. The absentee ballots were misleading in Franklin County. Kerry was the third line down, but you had to punch number four to vote for him. Bush was getting both his votes as well as Kerry’s.”

HARVEY WASSERMAN windhw@aol.com http://www.freepress.org/ departments/display/19/2004/810

Senior editor of FreePress.org, an Ohio-based web site, and co-author with Fitrakis of the recent article “Twelve Ways Bush is Now Stealing the Ohio Vote,” Wasserman said today: “There was a huge fight around ensuring that the electronic voting machines had paper trails and there was resistance by the secretary of state, so there is no paper trail. There were some victories to ensure a paper trial -- by 2006. There were limited numbers of voting machines in African-American districts. Some people had to wait up to eight hours, far more than in predominantly white areas.”



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  Re: to LEGO factory : You are not being fair.
 
In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Ed Andrews wrote: (snip) This is off topic for .fun. It is very clearly .debate fodder. FUT has been set there, and your post forceFut as well. ++Lar (don't make me put my admin hat on explicitly please...) (20 years ago, 29-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: to LEGO factory : You are not being fair.
 
In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Ed Andrews said some stuff: Is this an accusation? If so, I wish you would state it plainly and I can send it to Mr. Blackwell for his answer. In the mean time, (3 URLs) Quoting the above acticle. "Of Ohio's 88 counties, 69 (...) (20 years ago, 25-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)

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