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		Re: debates (was: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing")
(...) These two paragraphs are the crux of the issue, for me. We might add a third permutation and ask: if the author creates a work intended to stir social change, but it doesn't, is it still propaganda? That seems like a suitable opposite of your (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: debates (was: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing")
(...) Certainly advertising is by nature propagandist. There seems like a critical difference between a piece of fiction that is written solely to entertain and one that is written with underlying political/religious/...l/whatever messages that are (...) (22 years ago, 6-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Ed's opinion of Larry and other trivia (was: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing")
(...) That's not exactly fair, Ed. Misconstrue isn't a name at all, it's Larry's assertion that you misunderstood his point (in this case possibly willfully). And if you consider how your note looked, I don't think "drive by" was really (...) (22 years ago, 6-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing"
(...) Hmm, "misconstrued" and a "drive by". How quickly the name calling starts. If you had read my response down a few threads, you would have seen that I thought this was a fresh debate topic, not a follow-up post with a new heading to a previous (...) (22 years ago, 5-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing"
(...) The funk, as I recall, was that we were hearing about the scandal to the exclusion of all else, as though it, more than anything else, actually mattered to the state of the union. Granted, Clinton is no moral giant, but neither is Gingrich, (...) (22 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing"
(...) There was once, well, a West Wing episode ;) , in which a pollster mentioned a little tale about polls-- " Polls tell us that people are sick and tired of hearing about sexual scandals of politicians, and yet the ratings of any show that (...) (22 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing"
(...) Well, that's probably as overstated as Larry's original point. I think Larry's more general point is how information is fed to one subliminally through various media, and how often people do not put the source of the information under much (...) (22 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing"
(...) Geez, you mean it isn't real. Wow a TV show that isn't grounded in reality? You mean Mr. Ed really couldn't talk? Sally Fields really couldn't fly as a nun? All those police, hospital and family shows are fake? Larry, exactly how uninformed do (...) (22 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing"
(...) I think the point is that Leo perceives that people are distressingly apt to get their political views from fictional programs. No doubt Leo would include such fictions as the 700 Club and Rush Limbaugh's daily spew, as well as the film (...) (22 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing"
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) If the point that still stands is "Everything in parenthesis was added by David", that is correct. If, however, the point that still stands is "and is incorrectly associated with the (...) (22 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: LEGO being used in politics! (help me in my dilemma)
I think that this political group can use LEGO(tm) to express their ideas without restriction as long as they follow the same rules that AFOL's do. They must avoid the LEGO brand name and trademarks. They should be careful to state that there is no (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: LEGO being used in politics! (help me in my dilemma)
(...) Cool! I think it's a neat political message. The only problem is that lumber and cement are so much cheaper that I'd expect them to be able to actually build several houses for the poor with the money they'll be spending on LEGO. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		LEGO being used in politics! (help me in my dilemma)
Hi all, I think the subject line sums it all up, but here goes the story, plus introduction: One year ago, if I were to buy a house in Portugal, I might ask for a loan with bonified interest (partially paid by the state), because I'm not yet 25 and (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: LEGO being used in politics! (help me in my dilemma)
(...) Bricks, yes. But what if the bricks are recognised as "LEGO" by anyone in the country? Does it affect the brand name? (...) My point is there, precisely; LEGO is a universal brand, and like "Coke", it can be used to describe a range of (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Freedom of Speech? W sez NO!
(...) Hmmm, I can't say that I think it was even close. The election was stolen pure and simple. We are no longer the country we think we are, and we probably haven't been for quite some time. I know -- I keep trying to be optimistic that things (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: world mandate (Re: Why start with Iraq? - (Re: Iraq, Dictators, and Peace))
(...) You are misrepresenting me. (...) I think you are wrong to feel safer. (...) Have I ever said they should be left in place? (...) No. Did I say that? (...) I'm not avoiding anything, you are jumping to conclusions and putting words in my (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Freedom in America (The Chicago 8)
A funny thing happened to some folks on their way to making public their disenfranchisement from the then current political establishment in the year 1968. The police infiltrated their groups (thereby abridging the free exercise of the right to (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes: <snip> (...) Pure Creationists believes that the Earth really was created in exactly 6 days, and ignore any scientific eveidence to the contrary. S.C.s (at least me, tell me if i'm wrong (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: 2nd Amendment -- Bare Bones
(...) Well, perhaps there is no resolution -- we certainly have more than one instance of bad law, bad stare decisis, coming down from the high court...and it does annoy. The court has, in particular, been guilty of making bad law that is in the way (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Medical Marijuana
From the LP newsletter I get, posted in its entireity... poses an interesting dilemna with respect to states rights and how far a state can go in deviating, and how far a state can go in resisting encroachment on states rights - start - Libertarians (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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