 | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —James Brown
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| | | (...) No, I think you've got it backwards. Moral relativism is (essentially) stating that morality is subjective & internal, while 'might makes right' is stating that moral action is anything that can be enforced. I've started to go further about (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes: Snip. (...) I would not agree with the above definition, but rather offer this one instead: MMR is the belief that there *is* no morality. whatever you have the power to do is OK, with no objective (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —David Eaton
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| | | | | (...) Ah, then ok. I'm fine with that. Just so long as we make sure to clarify that the 'right' in MMR isn't a moral right. The only problem being, though, that while theoretically true, it's not the case in reality, only because human moral codes (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Right, I understand that concept. I just don't find it valid. Because I don't accept relative morality. (...) Yes. (...) I don't think that's what I am saying, but since I haven't provided a derivation for universal morality I guess that might (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) Ah, ok. So what you're objecting to is specifically my method of moral judgement, instead proposing that some unspecified (at least at present) yet universal code is a better tool for judging morality, and that you have at least some inkling (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | Snipped a lot of head twisting stuff to just answer two questions, then I HAVE to get back to writing docs... more later, maybe. (...) Yes. (...) I can't accurately answer that hypothetical. It's indeterminate since I don't accept the premise and (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —James Brown
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| | | | | | (...) I guess what I'm stumbling over is trying to figure out why you think/feel that morality has significance beyond a personal level. What is the justification/point/meaning of you judging me (or my morals)? Whether it's a personal standard or an (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) think. :-) (...) Good question. I freely admit I may be digging myself a hole here. And judging morality of individuals, in general, isn't what I want to do. Especially as it relates to victimless crimes, etc. Recall that I've said in the past (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | (...) Let's modify it a bit: I come over to your house taking donations for the home for wayward boys. You ask about my morals. Now I say I plan to teach them the ways of Christ and bring them up as devout Christians. How much money do you give? (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | (...) Larry listens to RUSH? That's a shock ;-) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) You're kidding, right? Read the liner notes on the 2112 album. :-) ++Lar (24 years ago, 1-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —James Brown
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| | | | | | (...) Then we agree about (IMHO) the really important part - judging actions not intent. I highly suspect what we're debating for the rest of it is fluff and semantics. <snip examples> (...) Good examples, and a solid case for the relevance of (...) (24 years ago, 1-Feb-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience —James Brown
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| | | | (...) Ok. I think that 'morality...derived from enforcement' and 'whatever you have the power to do is OK' are equivalent statements, but that's just quibbling. (...) That consequence does follow fairly directly, so I guess that's where it fails for (...) (24 years ago, 31-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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