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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Eric Joslin writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > > > Lorbaat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Except that I have NO idea where they are - they're buried in with millions of
> > > > > car
> > > > > mags. I don't put them on an altar or anything.
> > > >
> > > > Heh! No, I wasn't suggesting that you did. But still, saying "there have been
> > > > cases! Really!" Doesn't cut it.
> > >
> > > These aren't EXACTLY on track, but they're close, and both of these things
> > > happened in West Michigan and both are pretty well documented in media
> > > archives.
> >
> > Provide a cite Larry - it would help make your point credible.
>
> OK, here you go:
>
> for the details of Gerry Crane and how he was hounded to death for being
> gay, try going to Yahoo and using the search string "Byron Center Gay"
>
> This article from Time is from the beginning of Gerry's ordeal:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/analysis/time/9604/29/smolowe.shtml
>
> For the details on how Mr. Boomer had to do community service (I was wrong,
> it wasn't jail time per se) because his canoe hit a rock try going to Yahoo
> and using the search string "Michigan Profanity Canoe"
>
> This article from Newsweek has some details (scroll down past the lead)
>
> http://www.dailydavos.com/nw-srv/issue/05_99a/tnw/today/ps/ps_archive_1.htm
>
> Neither of these searches was particularly hard for you to carry out but I
> did your homework for you because I like you.
>
> > Are you saying the board had a right to sack him as he was gay? That is your
> > usual line of argument is it not?
>
> Ah, Scott, another example of uncritical thinking.
It is the exact opposite.
> You DO grasp the
> difference between public and private, as used in the US, right? OK... more
> slowly.
>
> It's a public school board. If it were a private school they should be able
> to enforce any behaviour standards they like on their employees, including
> requiring that their teachers be gay or not be gay. But public bodies,
> including public schools should not be able to discriminate in that way.
Usually, you tell me that they should be able to. Usually you say such
institutions will discover such actions are bad - and the market should
decide. I'll ask you again, do you think any school, public or private,
should be able to sack a member of staff for being gay?
>
> That's my assertion, which of course you have said you don't agree with,
> since you feel it's OK for majority vote to impose standards of behaviour.
If you are accusing me of believing in democracy - than answer is yes.
The "majority" has already decided that sexuality is not a factor when
selecting staff in the UK - an any area of the economy. Our front line armed
forces are the only exception to this - change is expected on that front.
Scott A
>
> ++Lar
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| (...) Scott, why do you waste everyone's time with totally useless questions? This is plowed ground IN THE ACTUAL POST. Larry stated quite clearly his position. I don't see how much clearer it can be, and if you can't see the answer, you really (...) (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Scott: (...) You really are a bit dense sometimes, Scott... Quoting myself in the *very paragraph* you're supposedly "responding" to.. (...) Is that so hard to understand? In shorter sentences: Public (government funded) no. Private yes. Like I've (...) (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) OK, here you go: for the details of Gerry Crane and how he was hounded to death for being gay, try going to Yahoo and using the search string "Byron Center Gay" This article from Time is from the beginning of Gerry's ordeal: (URL) the details (...) (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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