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Re: Religion and Science
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:28:39 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > > > That is why I can fully believe in His words. Other prophets are conduits and are
> > > > subject to human error and fallibility. Jesus was unique. I am not necessarily
> > > > negating other prophets and their messages (unless they actively deny Jesus' deity).
> > >
> > > Again, this does not address my question. It just makes a claim, but offers
> > > no reason to accept it over any other claim beyond that you believe it.
> >
> > Maybe I have no reason to convince you to accept it over others.
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> Then perhaps you shouldn't have made the claims you did.
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> > As I mentioned before, I
> > condemn no other religion (qualify: which asserts monotheism), unless it actively *denies*
> > Christianity.
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> And the other guys are saying the exact same thing (and Christianity
> *denies* them). So, again, why should I believe one over the other? And
> let me note that your qualifier means you actively condemn Hinduism
> (polytheism) and Buddhism (which says you can believe in whatever gods you
> want to, but that implies polytheism is okay). This means the only
> remaining major religion that you don't condemn is Mohammadism. And that
> one doesn't admit that Jesus is God - I don't know if that counts as a
> denial of Christianity.
Ack, "Muhammadism" is a lousy term. It's a coinage of 18/19th-C.
Orientalism, designed to denigrate Islam by reducing it to its
Prophet. Muslims don't believe Muhammad was a (er, the) deity.
They *do* deny Jesus's inherent divinity, but not his divine
inspiration. The importance to them is that Muhammad was the
*last* Prophet of God, and so carries the "final build", if you
will, of His Word. I'm not sure Islam denies Christianity,
however--they refer to Christians as "people of the Book."
Misguided people, but honestly so, and thus still kin.
Islam has the great attractions that its only holy book was
most definitely written by one person (although again, 'from
the mouth of God'). The historical records are also a heck
of a lot better, although the miracle issue is just as foggy.
So that leaves (maybe) the Jews and Muslims...oh, and the
Zoroastrians. They're probably OK too. :) (Yes, there are
still some around--about a hundred thousand, in Iraq and Iran.)
best
LFB
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| (...) Busted! Yeah, I know better. Just running off at the keyboard with those pre-programmed terms. I'll also vary between Mahomet, Mohamad, Mohammad and other variations if you look close. (...) Jesus is a prophet of God, just not the most (...) (24 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Slow motion thought. I had to dredge back in my memory to come up with Ahura-Mazda for Zoroastrianism, and that it dances the line on monotheism. Found the following: "Ahura Mazda is not the only god in the universe of Zoroastrianism, and he (...) (24 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) You are mostly true here. Islam accepts Jesus (Isa) and Moses (Musa) as prophets of the god, just like many others (I think 24-25 of them are mentioned in Koran by name, including Adam/Adem Solomon/Süleyman, Simon/Ismail, Abraham/Ibrahim, (...) (24 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I surmised as much. So you can't answer the question - which is okay, since I already figured that out. Hopefully you now understand that, too (i.e. you are proceeding on faith alone). (...) Then why are you claiming here that God is provable? (...) (24 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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