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Re: Religion and Science
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Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:11:32 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > > > > That is why I can fully believe in His words. Other prophets are conduits and are
> > > > > subject to human error and fallibility. Jesus was unique. I am not necessarily
> > > > > negating other prophets and their messages (unless they actively deny Jesus' deity).
> > > >
> > > > Again, this does not address my question. It just makes a claim, but offers
> > > > no reason to accept it over any other claim beyond that you believe it.
> > >
> > > Maybe I have no reason to convince you to accept it over others.
> >
> > Then perhaps you shouldn't have made the claims you did.
> >
> >
> > > As I mentioned before, I
> > > condemn no other religion (qualify: which asserts monotheism), unless it actively *denies*
> > > Christianity.
> >
> > And the other guys are saying the exact same thing (and Christianity
> > *denies* them). So, again, why should I believe one over the other? And
> > let me note that your qualifier means you actively condemn Hinduism
> > (polytheism) and Buddhism (which says you can believe in whatever gods you
> > want to, but that implies polytheism is okay). This means the only
> > remaining major religion that you don't condemn is Mohammadism. And that
> > one doesn't admit that Jesus is God - I don't know if that counts as a
> > denial of Christianity.
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> Ack, "Muhammadism" is a lousy term. It's a coinage of 18/19th-C.
> Orientalism, designed to denigrate Islam by reducing it to its
> Prophet. Muslims don't believe Muhammad was a (er, the) deity.
Busted! Yeah, I know better. Just running off at the keyboard with those
pre-programmed terms. I'll also vary between Mahomet, Mohamad, Mohammad and
other variations if you look close.
> They *do* deny Jesus's inherent divinity, but not his divine
> inspiration. The importance to them is that Muhammad was the
> *last* Prophet of God, and so carries the "final build", if you
> will, of His Word. I'm not sure Islam denies Christianity,
> however--they refer to Christians as "people of the Book."
> Misguided people, but honestly so, and thus still kin.
Jesus is a prophet of God, just not the most important one. Since
Christianity is based on the divinity of Christ, they deny it in a sense. I
meant that more as John may regard that as a denial, not so much what
Muslims believe. Anyway, your expansion on what I said is accurate so far
as my understanding goes (for anyone reading this and unfamiliar with the
Islamic faith).
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> Islam has the great attractions that its only holy book was
> most definitely written by one person (although again, 'from
> the mouth of God'). The historical records are also a heck
> of a lot better, although the miracle issue is just as foggy.
>
> So that leaves (maybe) the Jews and Muslims...oh, and the
> Zoroastrians. They're probably OK too. :) (Yes, there are
> still some around--about a hundred thousand, in Iraq and Iran.)
I wasn't counting the Jews or Zoroastrians as a major religion (in terms of
number of followers). Animism abounds, but I don't know of a single major
religion that typifies it. I like the cosmic balance bit from Zorastrians:
there is good and evil in the world, and we get to tip the balance in one
direction or the other by our actions. But then again, I like the bit about
dieing with a sword in my hand and cavorting with valkyries....
-->Bruce<--
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> best
>
> LFB
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| (...) Ack, "Muhammadism" is a lousy term. It's a coinage of 18/19th-C. Orientalism, designed to denigrate Islam by reducing it to its Prophet. Muslims don't believe Muhammad was a (er, the) deity. They *do* deny Jesus's inherent divinity, but not (...) (24 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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