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Subject:	Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:03:09 GMT
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John Neal wrote: > Eric McCarthy wrote: > > > John Neal wrote: > > > > > > A Christian does good in response to God's love. God loved us first and our > > > response is to reflect that love as best we can to others in our daily lives. > > > That is why Christians do good. Why an atheist does is beyond me, but if anyone > > > knows, please do tell. > > > > An atheist believes there is no God. An atheist may have other beliefs, > > such as "people are intrinsically good" or "I am intrinsically good." > > > > Also, doing good as an atheist could be more self-rewarding than doing > > good as a Christian. > > Self-rewarding good-doing isn't by definition altruistic. Earning brownie points to get into heaven is self-rewarding, so I guess you are saying Christians are NEVER altruistic? > > An atheist might think: "Look at me.. I'm doing > > good because I'm intrinsically good, whereas you're only doing good > > because of the fear of hell." > > Christians certainly don't do good for fear of hell. Christianity 101: Saved by > Grace. Nothing anyone can do can curry God's love-- it is unconditionally given. > Christians do good with joy in *response* to God's love. Yet your god sends people to Hell. "I love you, but go suffer for an eternity". No thanks. -- Tom Stangl ***http://www.vfaq.com/ ***DSM Visual FAQ home ***http://ba.dsm.org/ ***SF Bay Area DSMs

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		Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) Well, there are Christians who claim that it doesn't matter what you do, if you are among the "elect", you've already got your ticket to heaven. Now I guess they can still claim that God is the force that motivates them to good, but so many (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) Tom, you are not listening-- one more time, because it is the crux of the Gospel (Good News) *There is NOTHING you can do to EARN God's love. God loves us all THE SAME, whether we go around murdering children or serve him as Pope. God (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) Seems to me, Tom, that your struggling here... If God didn't allow us to suffer, He would be a controlling entity - and we mere automatons. We do have choise - that is required by true love. I'd be really interested to know what it is that you (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) Seems to me, Tom, that you're struggling here... If God didn't allow us to suffer, He would be a controlling entity - and we mere automatons. We do have choise - that is required by true love. I'd be really interested to know what it is that (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) Self-rewarding good-doing isn't by definition altruistic. (...) Christians certainly don't do good for fear of hell. Christianity 101: Saved by Grace. Nothing anyone can do can curry God's love-- it is unconditionally given. Christians do (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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