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Subject:	Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:31:12 GMT
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<38741B0A.4F62FC4B@cleanweb.net> <slrn879752.341.mattdm@jadzia.bu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Miller wrote: > So if the government does something good, it's still evil? Yes. Unless you're a big fan of "the ends justify the means". Good outcomes do not justify pernicious mechanisms for achieving them. > I guess I'm > concerned with making things work. Why attach idealist "this must be done by > the government" or "this must be done by private sector" notions to things? But from a utilitarian argument, government programs just don't work, and from a rights based argument, they are evil usurpations of private property. -- Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar - - - Web Application Integration! http://www.novera.com fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet. NOTE: Soon to be lpieniazek@tsisoft.com :-)

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		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
(...) I'm not saying anything about justifying anything. "Ends justify the means" implies some sort of need for justificiation, and as I said, I'm assuming neither a totally evil government nor totally evil capitalists. (...) Not true. They may not (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
(...) "utilitarian" == "ends justify the means", no? Jasper (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
(...) Yes. And I proceeded to tersly show that even if you buy ends justify the means you still fail, because you get bad ends. all government programs produce bad results is my utilitarian thesis. So I have him both ways. (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
(...) Will you stop? Where do you get that idea? What "higher power"? That's not it at all. My goodness what a stew of misconceptions. Do you listen to anything I say or are you just so sure you know what it is that it all blows past you? One more (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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