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Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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Date: 
Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:10:51 GMT
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Jasper Janssen wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:31:12 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net>
wrote:

Yes. Unless you're a big fan of "the ends justify the means". Good
outcomes do not justify pernicious mechanisms for achieving them.

But from a utilitarian argument,

"utilitarian" == "ends justify the means", no?

Yes. And I proceeded to tersly show that even if you buy ends justify
the means you still fail, because you get bad ends. all government
programs produce bad results is my utilitarian thesis. So I have him
both ways.


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  Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
 
(...) So if you don't buy utilitarianism, why the hell do you keep using it in your arguments? Jasper (25 years ago, 7-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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<38741B0A.4F62FC4B@c...anweb.net> <slrn879752.341.matt...ia.bu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Yes. Unless you're a big fan of "the ends justify the means". Good outcomes do not justify (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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