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Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:03:05 GMT
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Matt,
Matthew Miller wrote:
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> Scott E. Sanburn <ssanburn@cleanweb.net> wrote:
> > Well, it speaks (Looking at my CATO supplied Constitution & Bill of
> > Rights) , "the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature
> > and of Nature's God...." for one (In the Declaration of Independence).
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> Yes. The Declaration of Independence is very much not the Constitution. In
> fact, interesting to consider that this language, so obvious in the
> declaration, is so conspicuously not in the constitution.
Yes, but without the Declaration, we would have no Constitution, or Bill
of Rights. Clearly the intent of the Founding Fathers is here.. but this
isn't what I was talking about.
> Were in the Bill of Rights or Constitution does it say we have a right
> to all the things the UN says we do? I don't think of the UN as anything
> more than a left wing propaganda machine.
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> Wait, now you believe that rights are created by the constitution? What
> happened to natural law?
I think that the Constitution outlined the concept of rights, which are
grounded under natural law.
> Amendment 9, in fact, says "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain
> rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the
> people."
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> > Do you have a right to "watch movies in peace"? The only rights I see
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> So, to go back to the canonical example: if not some other right, what makes
> it so I shouldn't yell fire in a theatre? Doesn't that abridge my free
> speech right? Or, what about cases of libel? Or, to bring in the other
> discussion, child pornography or snuff films? Isn't it against the
> first-amendment rights to say that these things can't be published?
Well, that goes into the debate of free speech, which is another debate
we are having / having / will have again.
> Again, I wasn't saying that these rights should somehow come from the UN.
> And you seem to agree with me (although we disagree about the source) when
> you say that rights come from God/Nature.
I think this whole debate is going off on what I was trying to say. I
think the UN universal rights are garbage, simply because their leftist
agenda, which IMHO, is embedded into it. Like health care, housing,
education, etc. I do think a proper outline of rights were outlined by
the founding fathers. That's all. Whether those rights are made by God,
pink elephants, etc. is another debate. I think adding rights to the
natural law, which I think the UN is doing, is a not a good thing to
do.
Scott S.
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