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Re: At last, some family-values legislation I can really get behind!
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Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:43:21 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
   Good luck, Mr. Hagan!

Hagan admitted that he has no scientific evidence to support the above claims. Just as `Hood had no scientific evidence’’ to back his assertion that having gay parents was detrimental to children, Hagan said.

Mr. Hagen shouldn’t quit his day job at the public teet for a career in comedy. He might have a promising career as a professional hypocrite, however.

In that case, maybe he needs to join the GOP.

   Hagen equates being a republican to being gay.

Not at all. He equates the utter lack of supporting data for Hood’s bogus (though seriously-intended) legislation with the utter lack of supporting data for Hagen’s own bogus (and farcically-intended) legislation.

   Certainly one can change their party on a whim. Can one change their sexual orientation?

Well, according to many Conservatives, the answer is yes. Every homosexual chooses to be homosexual, remember?

   His implication is that being gay and being republican are two, mutually exclusive qualities. He should stick to the losing game plan of liberals equating “gay rights” to the black civil rights movement.

If the denial of civil rights is at issue (and it is), then it doesn’t matter whether the people who are denied those rights are black or white or gay or straight or Liberal or Conservative. The denial of those rights is flatly wrong.

Parenthetically, it’s great when straight white guys tell gays and/or blacks what they should think their rights are.

   But what I found most revealing is the wording of his “bill”.

“To further lampoon Hood’s bill, Hagan wrote in his mock proposal that `credible research’’ shows that adopted children raised in Republican households are more at risk for developing `emotional problems, social stigmas, inflated egos, and alarming lack of tolerance for others they deem different than themselves and an air of overconfidence to mask their insecurities.‘’

My bet is that Mr. Hagen actually does believe these things about republicans; from where else is he getting this list (if not projecting;-) The irony is telling, if not pathetic.

I’m sure the tolerant Mr. Hagen will have no problem with polygamist families adopting children as well. How about centenarians? What bigotry, discriminating against the elderly! Disgusting!

As always in discussing this issue, you’re propping up a straw man. If centenarians or polygamists want to fight for their own legislation, let them. Hagen isn’t arguing on behalf of centenarians or polygamists, so your insistence that the issues be linked or equated is a straw man (and a very common tactic among Conservative pundits and legislators who favor discrimination against homosexuals, by the way).

   If democrats want to get serious and run this country, they’d better clean house of “humorists” such as Mr. Hagen. He’s a liability.

Maybe Dick “Shoot-First-And-Refuses-Questions-Later” Cheney could invite him on a hunting trip?

Dave!



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  Re: At last, some family-values legislation I can really get behind!
 
(...) All right; take it easy. There is plenty of hypocrisy to go around for everyone... (...) This has nothing to do with any specious "supporting data" argument. (...) You can't have your cake, eat it, and argue out both sides of your mouth. Take (...) (19 years ago, 27-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: At last, some family-values legislation I can really get behind!
 
(...) Mr. Hagen shouldn't quit his day job at the public teet for a career in comedy. He might have a promising career as a professional hypocrite, however. Hagen equates being a republican to being gay. Certainly one can change their party on a (...) (19 years ago, 27-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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