 | | It didn't have to be this way.... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | (URL) (20 years ago, 7-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: It didn't have to be this way.... —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) (URL) read. One thought I have though... Would the situation truly be any better if Sadam had got out of power any other way? Part of what is happening is the power vacuum that results from elimination of a despot. The rest of the problem is (...) (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: It didn't have to be this way.... —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | (...) Mmmmm. I think I have remarked upon same here before, and can only agree completely. But as to it not having to be this way, I am not so sure. There would seem to be few examples of freedom delivered from without that were any more successful. (...) (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: It didn't have to be this way.... —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | (...) The closest I can think of is West Germany, but that might not count due to how short of a time they were under the rule of a despot, and the fact that they were the invading nation, not the invaded. (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lap-dogs (was: It didn't have to be this way....) —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) LOL it doesn't really depress me, but it does surprise me. I mean, everyone I've spoken to since the election has said "so who the heck voted Liberal??". But I guess that's probably just a case of me associating with people that share similar (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lap-dogs (was: It didn't have to be this way....) —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | | (...) Don't know about that. I have had the same experience in places where one ought to have found a large number of supporters. One is drawn towards the conclusion that many folks made the choice to vote liberal but are not prepared to fess up in (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lap-dogs (was: It didn't have to be this way....) —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) Hmmmmm. Maybe. (...) Hmmmm not sure. I thought most of the leader-types were from Adelaide but I may be mistaken. And even though they say they will argue each bill on it's merits, one has to wonder, given their election deal with Johnny. (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: It didn't have to be this way.... —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) …a despot who was explicitly supported by the West. (...) Some of the world's problems do lie at the feet of the "West". (...) I understand your point. However, we should not make the mistake of believing that those who violently oppose the (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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