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Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap in California)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:09:16 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Justin Pankey wrote:
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In any religion there are certain core values that one must adhere too to be
considered part of the group. If your line of thinking were valid, I could
call myself an atheist and still claim to believe in God and you would be
powerless to challange that assertion.
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Atheism is not a religion, although I know Xtians like to think that it is.
However we are looking at dictionary definitions here -- my dictionary says that
being a Xtian can be defined as simply as “one who professes a belief in Jesus.”
All you have to do is claim that you believe in Jesus -- voila, you are a Xtian.
By contrast, atheism is defined specifically as “disbelief in or denial of the
existence of God or gods.” Claiming to be an atheist by professing a belief in
god is an outright contradiction.
I’m not seeing the point you are trying to score here...
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Further, if you believe that President Bush is commiting “atrocities” by
trying to wipe out terrorism and dictatorships then to this debate I say “Why
bother?” You are lost in more ways than one ;o)
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What terrorism? Iraq? -- No connection to the discusison. If you think so, I’d
like to see your proof -- as would most of the rest of the world.
OBL? -- At large. Shrub was/is pretty ineffectual on that score.
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I believe Bush is an honest Christian and I’m actually proud to have him as
President...to which you and I now diverge with not hope of reconciliation
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Yeah, I’ll agree that there is no hope of agreement there.
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I can only imagine which freedoms you feel are being attacked. It’s the
social freedoms and divergence from a Christian society in the early 70’s
that has lead to the breakdown in family for which we are all now paying a
heavy price in America.
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The kind of family you are imagining has only existed for a couple of hundred
years. We can do without this false conception of “family,” just as we have
through most of history.
And again, this is not strictly or only a Xtian culture.
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If I were truly myopic I would not have even paid attention to this little
discussion. Peace is a great goal, but not while millions worldwide are
suffering and oppressed by evil dictators.
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Well if you feel that way about it -- can we send you the multibillion dollar
bill?
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If so than how do you explain the history of the last century to ME?
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A lot of the suffering and war in human history has its roots in clashing
religious beliefs. Didn’t the Nazis call the Jews “Christ killers”?
-- Hop-Frog
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