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Re: One more reason why I'm refusing to shop in Wal*Mart
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Thu, 8 May 2003 15:51:50 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> Well, if it isn't coercion, I'd like it defined. How is this different from
> a gang-like group walking into "Mom-n-Pop Hair Salon" and telling them "Pay
> up or you'll start losing money?" Well, that's a little extreme and called
> extortion, so tone it down a bit--gang walks into Mom-n-Pop Hair Salon and
> tells Mom-n-Pop to start cutting everyone elses hair like theirs or
> mom-n-pop will start losing customers. Thugs. Coercion. And a speech
> violation.
What do those scenarios have to do with what actually happen? If you are
implying that the gang will forcibly drive customers away, then that is a
straw man argument (thar ya go, John) since the Christian Right is saying
that they are only going to take their business elsewhere, not block those
that continue to wish to shop there.
If the gang is only saying they will take their business elsewhere if
mom-n-pop allow alternative haircuts...okay, so go take your business elsewhere.
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> These people aren't saying "Those magazines aren't fit for us to read."
> They are saying, "These magazines aren't fit for *all* to read." And
> therein lies all the difference in the world.
No, they are saying that those magazines aren't fit to read in a Wal-Mart.
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> What? You think they'll stop just at Wal*Mart? Have "they" ever stopped
> just at one point? If you think that this isn't a 1st ammendment issue
> today, all you have to do is sit back and wait.
Wake me when they get to a real bookstore. My bet is that Maxim's
readership goes up, anyway.
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> Beyond the 1st ammendment, which is a parenthetical discussion of this
> topic, the idea that some seem to be quite content to let certain sects,
> certain non-elected or gov't appointed groups, dictate what *everyone else*
> has access to, I find quite appalling. Again some would say, "It's just
> Wal*Mart!" Keep your pants on--it'll be more, and why do we have to wait
> for that "more" to happen? If there's an injustice now, isn't now the time
> to say something about it?
Don't shop at Wal-Mart. And....it *is* just Wal-Mart!!!
> The issue I see today with you Yanks is that when your senate and house and
> pres are all of one party, where does the 'sober second thought' come in?
I bleed Dodger blue. Calling me a Yankee fan is fightin' wurds, ya
Canuckian raskal. :-)
> And one sect of society has no business influencing what everyone else reads
> or sees. Just as sure as the gov't should stay out of my bedroom, other
> groups should stay away from my reading material (1).
Do you actually buy your magazines from Wal-Mart?
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> >
> > 2 - and it is unfortunate that so many in the media can't analyse what he
> > actually said accurately.
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> Media is *only* interested in what catches the eyes of the people. This
> whole SARS thing has driven this point home. Beyond the sheer ineptness of
> the WHO, when the media circus that was the ban on Toronto was done, how
> much hoopla has been shown that Toronto, today, is fine 'n dandy?
One word to shoot holes in that: Raptors! :-)
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> Dave K
> (1) not that my usual reading material includes Maxim or FHM, but that's not
> the issue. Mayhaps certain sects of society may be offended by the
> adventures of one Arthur Philip Dent--for DA takes many potshots at God--and
> they might 'coerce' my local bookstore not to carry any Douglas Adams books.
> Or maybe they'll seek out way of stopping me from reading my favourite comic
> on the internet! (www.sinfest.com) Sure it may be only Wal*Mart today--not
> that this was the first step, and it most definitely won't be the last--but
> I'll fight the small battles today so I don't have to fight the big ones
> tomorrow.
Today Wal-Mart, tomorrow the (Hitchhiker's Guide to the) Universe!
-->Bruce<--
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