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Subject:	Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:18:28 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Sproaticus <jsproat@io.com> writes: > [...] > Does this mean that God is caught by surprise all the time? Probably, but > then probably not. He can see into our hearts and our minds, and He has > determined what we're capable of. But consider: He's saddened a lot in the > Scriptures, yet He's also overjoyed a lot, too. I would think that this > indicates a lot of free will at work. He certainly has a plan for this > world (would you create one without a purpose?), and I wouldn't be surprised > if it were written down, it'd have quite a lot of "plan B's". Questions: If this little Universe we're in is a simple enough dynamical system that all aspects of it can be pre-known by God, or if God can compute the answer faster than the machine (the Universe) itself can, then why did God create such a simple Universe? Why not something more complex? Can God do anything? If the answer to that is Yes, then could He create a Universe which is more complex than he can understand and predict and pre-know every aspect of? (Remember when Data asked the holodeck to create a character that could defeat him?) If God can do anything, can he create something so complex that he can no longer understand it? (It's extremely easy, for example, for us humans to create things so complex that we can no longer understand them.) If God can do anything, then can he make himself disappear from his own plane of existence? If he can, then can he also make himself come back after he's gone? If so, then can he make himself go away so strongly that he cannot bring himself back no matter how hard he tries? I submit that there are things that God cannot do. Discuss. :) --Todd

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		Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
(...) You created Lugnet. Why not something more complex? (...) That does not mean that Data didn't have observable shortcomings. But Noonian Sung knew everything about Data. (...) "Anything" is a much misused word. :-) But in the case of humans, we (...) (25 years ago, 25-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
Todd Lehman wrote: <snip> (...) Dr. Moriarity. What a fascinating episode that was:-) And even better that they brought him back on another show! (...) This is classic "circle logic" If God do anything, can God create a stone he cannot lift? (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
(...) <SMARTARSE> The second example is: If a set number of angels can dance on the stud of a melting Lego brick at any determined temperature, would God know that number in advance? </SMARTARSE> I prefer to think of predestination to be something (...) (25 years ago, 24-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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