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Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:36:46 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Sproaticus <jsproat@io.com> writes:
> > [...]
> > Does this mean that God is caught by surprise all the time? Probably, but
> > then probably not. He can see into our hearts and our minds, and He has
> > determined what we're capable of. But consider: He's saddened a lot in the
> > Scriptures, yet He's also overjoyed a lot, too. I would think that this
> > indicates a lot of free will at work. He certainly has a plan for this
> > world (would you create one without a purpose?), and I wouldn't be surprised
> > if it were written down, it'd have quite a lot of "plan B's".
>
> Questions:
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> If this little Universe we're in is a simple enough dynamical system that
> all aspects of it can be pre-known by God, or if God can compute the answer
> faster than the machine (the Universe) itself can, then why did God create
> such a simple Universe? Why not something more complex?
You created Lugnet. Why not something more complex?
> Can God do anything? If the answer to that is Yes, then could He create a
> Universe which is more complex than he can understand and predict and
> pre-know every aspect of? (Remember when Data asked the holodeck to create
> a character that could defeat him?)
That does not mean that Data didn't have observable shortcomings. But Noonian
Sung knew everything about Data.
> If God can do anything, can he create
> something so complex that he can no longer understand it? (It's extremely
> easy, for example, for us humans to create things so complex that we can no
> longer understand them.)
"Anything" is a much misused word. :-) But in the case of humans, we don't
really create, so much as rearrange things we find around us. It would be a
some kinda freak accident if someone who didn't know what they were doing made
something that worked that was more complex than their understanding. It seems
like the odds of that happening grow against it geometrically with each
variable.
> If God can do anything, then can he make himself disappear from his own
> plane of existence?
Define "disappear" :-) Also that implies that he is visible, another can o'
worms.
> If he can, then can he also make himself come back
> after he's gone?
Gone where? :-)
> If so, then can he make himself go away so strongly that
> he cannot bring himself back no matter how hard he tries?
Define "away" :-) Are you saying it's impossible for God to "get lost"?
> I submit that there are things that God cannot do. Discuss. :)
Ah, the dreadful vacuum of the illusion of time well spent ;-)
-Tom McD.
when replying, hi, I'm Tom, and I'm a spamcakeoholic... hi Tom..
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