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Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:12:40 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> I'm just using the same word choice and the same concept as your first
> president--maybe he was delusional. I'll paraphrase it and try to use my
> own words--we elect the people we want to run the country for a while. We,
> as the people, use the power of democracy by voting--we hold the power.
> Then we say to our representatives (at least he ones who won the election),
> 'Yeah, we're giving you the power to run our nation for a while, and if we
> don't like how you're doing it, then we'll kick your heinies out of office
> the next election.' Shall I try to explain the democratic process in a way
> that's simpler for you to understand?
I'll tell you what... if you want to explain a process, explain how it is
that the US has two parties in power which are more similar than they are
different, and which do everything they can to ensure that no other party or
set of ideas can rise to prominence or even get a fair shake in the
election. The system is rigged, has been for some time, and it's getting worse.
If you want to explain the lack of need for the 2nd, explain away how it is
somehow OK that every other part of the bill of rights has recently been (at
best) severely watered down by our unelected government in the past year.
If you want to explain proportional representation, perhaps you can explain
how gerrymandering is fair?
These have all been raised here, and dismissed by you without real explanation.
No, you've got a lot of thinking to do about the very stuff you're spouting.
I suggest you go away and do it instead of repeating the same thing over and
over, and plaintively insisting we haven't got what you're saying.
We get what you're saying already. You just happen to be wrong, and
repeating it over and over doesn't do anything to convince us that you have
any clue as to what you're spouting about. So stop spouting.
I have worked (at some level or another) for most of my adult life for
change in the system. It's been 25 years now that I've been trying, and
nothing is getting better in our political system, it's getting worse. We
are getting less free at the same time that much of the rest of the world
has been moving in the more free direction (expressed as an average,
smoothed out over time, there certainly have been a lot of bumps and spikes
though)
It may well be time for another revolution. I'd prefer to keep trying
though. It's easier and I can say I'm doing my part without nearly as much mess.
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| (...) Are you saying that the Democrats would have made the same mistakes as the Republicans over the past 12 months and before? I'm yet to be convinced of that. Bush is governing by paranoia, I doubt AG would have done the same. (...) That is an (...) (22 years ago, 20-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) <snip> Gerrymandering? Brought up in this thread? Like h-e-double hockey sticks they have, Larry... Do a search in this *entire* thread and show me, up until this post of yours, when (...) (22 years ago, 20-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) The United States is a democratic republic. Fine, no problem--never said it wasn't--I said the way to get things changed is thru democracy, the process in which the people *vote*. (...) "Government is not reason and it is not eloquence. It is (...) (22 years ago, 20-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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