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Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:17:26 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> David:
>
> What William has stated is more or less the reasoning behind the 2nd
> Amendment, but it also goes back to feudal times. Freemen bear arms -- it's
> a right and a responsibility.
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> Read "The Federalist Papers". If you disagree, fine. Just stop acting like
> the 2nd Amendment was written in the last 20 years.
Quoteth Dave
> Furthermore, as sometimes I am prone to doing, *if* I concede your full
> understanding of the 2nd, can't we all just say it was a dumb-ass ammendment
> written in a time before street lights and police, and it should be stricken
> from the books? The frontier *has* been tamed (yes is quoted from WW--get
> over it ;) )
and
> Perhaps times change. Perhaps people change. Perhaps the truths that were
> 'self evident' when the DOI and the constitution were written are not
> perhaps the same truths today--just for starters, we have the Police *and*
> we have streetlights. Well looky that--perhaps we can grow up and find
> *better* ways of doing things instead of everybody walking around with guns,
> waiting for someone else to step on their foot. Moreover, perhaps we can
> look at things again and see how we may have been misguided (as in 'under
> God' in the DOI), and perhaps we may have misinterpreted some things that
> were written, not only 200+ years ago, but also 2000ish years ago. Perhaps
> being beholden to a piece of paper is not such a good idea.
and so many other locations--which part in my posting makes you think that
*I* think the 2nd was written less than 20 years ago. If there's someone
being misrepresented in this thread, I'm your guy.
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> FWIW, I do not believe that the government protects my freedoms. I think it
> operates to the contrary of my freedoms as a known, lesser of all possible
> evils as set up by the founders of the republic. If you think the govt. is
> your "friend" -- well, I think you have it all wrong.
And again, misrepresented:
Quoteth Dave
> K, if you wish to misinterpret the 'if a law is unjust there are ways to
> work within the system to get rid of said law' go ahead. It comes with the
> territory of... anyone... anyone--right--a Democracy.
Do I think the gov't is my friend? Do I think, or ever say, that the gov't
won't pass a dumb-ass law? Not once do I say this. However, I'm not one
for throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I'm not one to go off on a
shooting spree if something doesn't go my way. I don't have a revolution
waiting just under the surface, ready to erupt when things don't go my way.
I believe that in a democratic process the people will do what's best for
the people. If you don't like this democratic process, well there are
plenty of non-democratic countries you can move to, and they prob'ly like
guns as much as you do--I think lots of 'em even walk around with guns
openly. As for me, I'll stick with what we have, and I'll work within the
system to make it better.
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> "Government is not reason and it is not eloquence. It is force! Like fire it
> is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington
Again, we are in a society which elects its government. We are its master,
as well as its servants--if we don't like our masters, we can vote 'em out
of office. End of story.
> "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
> patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." --Thomas Jefferson to
> William Stephens Smith, private letter.
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> -- Hop-Frog
And if we have a stong and healthy tree of liberty, tyrants can't happen,
therefore no need for the blood of patriots to be spilled.--David Koudys to
LUGNET, not so private letter.
Dave K.
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