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Re: An interesting URL from my favorite newspaper
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Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:56:18 GMT
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On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:06:53 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net>
wrote:
> Jasper Janssen wrote:
> > On Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:07:42 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Read it, then ask yourself, were the founding fathers such fools, or is
> >
> > Hey, you said it, I didn't ;)
>
> Sorry if you're having trouble recognising a rhetorical argument there.
> Try not to fall asleep in class. More slowly for the rhetoric impaired.
Sorry if you're having trouble recognising a joke even if the smiley
is staring you in the face ans shouting: "HEY! This is a joke!".
> - They were not fools. Rather, they were brilliant.
That is your opinion. Stating it as fact does not make it so.[1]
> - There is nothing fundamentally different about the nature of
> government now compared to then.
Really? So the entire development of the human race since 1790 means
nothing?
> - Their mechanism for preventing government from getting out of control
> worked quite well for over 125 years
And, of course, everything that made America the great nation it is
today happened afterward..
> - we should undo some of what has accreted in the last 90 or so.
> The dark ages were characterised by feudalism and disrespect for
> creation and knowledge. Not exactly how I'd characterize the 1790s. You
> fell asleep in history class too, I guess.
So I must have learned to have exactly the same opinion as you, if
only I hadn't fallen asleep in class.[2]
Who's making the ad-hominem attacks, Larry?
> Indeed.
>
> Good riddance to tyranny and hello to a government of laws, not men.
Except for those who have good lawyers..
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> Good riddance to a society founded on the premise of hereditary
> nobility, and hello to a society founded on the premise that all men
> have equal rights.
Except for those which aren't really "men", of course.
>
> Good riddance to the notion that all other countries and cultures are
> destined to be under the suzerainty of the British King and hello to the
> notion of honest friendship with all who seek it and entangling
> alliances with none.
Honest friendship with all who seek it and entagling relationships
with none? I've never particularly noticed _that_ in any US foreign
policy.
Jasper
[1] Note for the record that I don't think they were fools either.
[2] In _my_ history class, the 1790s were not a greatly enlightened
age, _especially_ not in the (current) US.
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