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Re: Reiterating my thoughts on the Avatar issue
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Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:08:02 GMT
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The title of this should be 'Jon trying to change and cleanup what he said"
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Palmer writes:
> I'm sorry I've posted outside the origninal thread but there are now far too
> many posts that I'd like to respond to and this seems like the most painless
> way to do so.
>
> Thanks to everyone who has seen my post for what it was.
it was a 'I do not like these, so lets get rid of them' post.
(taken from your first post on this)
"These Avatar images (etc..) seem to pertain to a website called
BionicleZone. Could the creators of these images please keep these where
they belong and off BrickShelf."
> I think there have been some great ideas on how to possibly address this
> problem.
Is this really a problem? Just because you do not like them that makes it a
problem for everybody?
> Chris Maddison brought up an important issue about the Edit feature. But I
> also don't feel like people throwing a bunch of stuff on their gallery is a
> real problem (by the way Chris I actually enjoyed seeing all of those MOCs)
> as this generally only happens once over about a 30 minute period. Its not
> a continuous stream of the same image.
I was unaware there was a problem with the same image being posted over and
over again. And I missed what Chris said about the edit feature. Would
somebody bring me up to speed?
> Jude Beaudin has an excellent point about not making brickshelf too
> compartmentalized. I'm all for having an option to choose whether or not to
> add something to the Recents page but not at the expense of losing the
> varied content. Just because I'm a .spacer doesn't mean I don't like Town,
> Castle, Train, Technic creations etc.
Exactly, but it seems that you would like some type of compartmentalized
content. This would allow you not to be forced to look at what you do not
like, and that was the point of your thread - not having to look at what you
do not like. And there is *nothing* wrong with this, if this works for you
then that is a good thing. But what I disagreed with was you were trying to
keep it from *everybody* becase you di dnot like them.
> To those who would try to spin my opinion about the Avatar images into a
> sweeping statement that I just hate Bionicle and hate the Bionicle
> community:
>
> Calm down.
yes, but what you said was this:
(taken from your first post about this)
"I'm not complaining about the photos of Bionicle Mocs. These constantly
flood the recent updates as well but at least they pertain more to Lego and
building."
But then you went and said this in the very same post:
"I realize that Bionicle is just a fad and these images will probably
dissapear in 4 months (at least until the new wave comes out) but I can't
wait that long."
> I have never said I dislike Bionicle. Never. For people to grab that
> notion from my post is so incredibly reactionist and predictable. I'll say
> it again. I like Bionicle. (Especially the Turagas) I even have a few
> Turaga MOCs in my Brickshelf gallery. I enjoy selling the masks to people
> who need them to fill out there collection. I look forward to the new
> Bohroks coming out because they look like they have some useful parts.
>
> What I *have* said is:
> I do not like Avatar drawings filling up BrickShelf.
It went more like this:
(taken from your first post about this)
"I'm very tired of checking out the BrickShelf recent updates page to see it
flooded with these annoying pixelated images. I think this is just as bad as
people using BrickShelf to upload pictures for Ebay."
> This is my opinion. I never said it was anything more.
You did call for a change in the brickshelf TOS, so I would consider that as
"more".
> I made my post to
> start a discussion and see if others felt the same way. To be honset as far
> as I'm concerned the discussion has gone *exactly* in the direction I
> thought it would. There have been some who agreed with me and some who
> haven't. Thats great! Thats what makes life interesting. Also, like any
> issue of this nature I imagined there would be plenty of rational,
> thoughtful posts by people who wanted to contribute in a constructive
> manner. I also knew that there would be a few people who would blow my post
> waaay out of proportion and completely miss the main issue.
So confirm to me what the main issue was..... If you were just tired of
looking at the images then why call for a change in the TOS? Why would you
try to keep all of these images off of brickshelf?
> Thats about it. • Is it really?
> -Jon
Look Jon (and Jeff and Timmy), bottom line is this: There is *nothing* wrong
with you not liking these avatars, I can understand why you do not like
them. And it is your right not to like them. But there are people who like
them. And for you to try to keep them from *everybody* is wrong. And like it
or not it is as simple as just ignoring them and hitting 'next page' on
brickshelf. I understand this can be annoying on a slow connection (I have
one myself) but this is simply what you have to do. I personally do not like
mecha mocs but do you see me trying to ban them from brickshelf? No, you do
not - I deal with it, like you should be adult enough to do. When I see the
recent page "flooded" with stuff I do not care for I hit 'next page' because
that is what you do. Like it or not the bionicle avatars are lego related,
you may not see the connection, but it is there. I feel any lego image (as
long as it is approite for the veiwing of children) has a place on
brickshelf. And that means even if you do not care for the nature of the
image, as long as it is age approiate then it has a place on brickshelf.
And for you to call for a ban (aka a change in the TOS) smply because you do
not like them and do not see the point is wrong, no matter how you spin it.
Nude women do not have a place on brickshelf, that is a very good example of
what should not be allowed and should be banned, because children would se
it. Agree?
tom
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