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Re: Bad News! Plane down in NYC
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Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:24:28 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Erik Olson writes:
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> > <he's OK> Yaay. But our hearts surely go out to those who are not.
> >
> > The major news sites are doing better at handling load than during 911 but
> > just in case people can't get to them, here's a short summary from the CNN
> > site, posted without permission, as of about 10:56 AM EST
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> > American Airlines Flight 587 crashes on takeoff in NYC borough of Queens
> > FAA: Airbus A300 from JFK airport to Santa Domingo, Dominican Republic
> > NYC Port Authority: 246 passengers, 9 crew
> > Firefighter reports engine fell from plane, others report explosion
> > NYC Mayor Giuliani says two crash sites; 12 buildings affected
> > All NYC area airports closed, bridges and tunnels leading into city closed
> > New York Fire Department dispatches 44 trucks, 200 firefighters
> > The Pentagon said surveillance flights in the area; no unusual activity reported
> > American Airlines information number: 1-800-245-0999
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> Not much more to report now--except to note that the engine-
> falling-off-the-airliner thing has at least a half dozen
> precedents, and the most famous one I can think of involved
> the plane continuing on safely (!!).
Uh, I am unsure about this, but an expert has said on national television
that this is *supposed* to happen in some cases. He did not specify, however.
Probably this plane was unable to maneouver due to the low speed and
altitude, much like the Concorde in 2000, after the engine failure/fall. The
pilot probably tried to cause the least victims possible when crashing -
only the black box will tell.
IMO, airports should be far out of the cities, it would be much safer for
people on the ground in case of an accident. This is, I think, unpracticable
in NYC. (too crowded!) I only hope none of this ever happens in Lisbon,
there are large buildings all around the airport (which is *inside* the city).
Like Larry said, our hearts are with the victims' families.
> Another link:
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> http://www.aviation-safety.net/news/news2001-3.shtml
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> However, the ground
> crews and maintenance are the other "weak link" as regards
> screening and care alike (they're paid rather badly, save
> the extremely skilled chiefs, IIRC), so either way this ought
> to prompt further changes and review of procedures.
Is that being regarded as a likely cause for the engine malfunction? (if
this was what really happened) Brrr (*chill*)... don't wanna think about
ground crews *outside* the US... :-(
> This can't help American's fortunes, either. They also had
> a load of crew passes and even uniforms vanish before 9/11--
> what ever came of *that* discovery, anyways?
An admission of incompetence/laxism? (sp? from french "laissez-faire")
> best
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> LFB (who is most emphatically not flying home for Thanksgiving!)
WHEN IS Thanksgiving? That is something I've always wondered about American
tradition - it is often portrayed in films as a Xmas-like festivity, with
the whole family reunited at meals. But the date is never mentioned, unlike
the 4th of July... Can you tell me more about it?
Regards,
Pedro
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| (...) Well, I can give you the date: The fourth Thursday in November. That's how it works. But as for the holiday itself, it's very steeped in lore--a lot of it contradictory--but in short it's time to "give thanks" for good fortune. The context of (...) (23 years ago, 13-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Not much more to report now--except to note that the engine- falling-off-the-airliner thing has at least a half dozen precedents, and the most famous one I can think of involved the plane continuing on safely (!!). Another link: (URL) However, (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people)
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