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Re: Fixing the world (was Re: Ldraw cannon
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Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:18:48 GMT
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Jesse Long wrote:
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> I do think that people have a sense of right and wrong, and that when they
> do wrong they usually know it. But if people are good, then they should
> choose to do good. We have plenty of laws and religion to tell us what is
> good and what is bad. But people choose to do wrong things. Even the worst
> criminals have a sense of right and wrong (usually), and know they're doing
> wrong. I'm not suggesting we don't know what we do. I'm suggesting we know
> exactly what we're doing, and that makes us selfish and evil by nature.
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> Having a sense of right and wrong doesn't make you good. Having a sense of
> right and wrong, having the freedom to choose right or wrong, and naturally
> tending toward right without societal training makes you "good." This does
> not happen. We tend towards evil and selfishness.
No no no!! To be selfish is not evil. To be selfish (that is, to do
things that are pro-survival, to act in your own self interest) is GOOD.
You have fallen into the classic looters trap. Renounce teaching that
tells you to be selfless, for that way lies death.
Now, there IS a hierarchy of self. Just as with Maslow's needs
hierarchy, a mother who sacrifices herself to save her children is not
being selfless. She is acting under biological imperative.
But until you renounce the notion that self sacrifice, whatever the
reason, or for no reason at all, is a good thing, we have no moral basis
for discussion, since your morals are fundamentally flawed. Therefore I
suggest we stop this thread now as we will never fundamentally agree.
We are not our brother's keepers, nor should we be.
--
Larry Pieniazek http://my.voyager.net/lar
For me: No voyager e-mail please. All snail-mail to Ada, please.
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| (...) Hrmmm, you've used the phrase "your morals are fundamentally flawed" before to describe your opinion of the morals of people who think it is ok to pull the price tags off merchandise to try to get a lower price. I think you also mentioned (...) (26 years ago, 8-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Fixing the world (was Re: Ldraw cannon
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| Larry Pieniazek wrote (...) You're using a specific and unconventional definition of "selfish", most often used IME by evolutionary biologists and geneticists (both meat and virtual). To most of us "selfish" is similar to arrogant or unempathetic - (...) (26 years ago, 10-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I have a shooting cannon in my to-render-bucket, but unfortunately, it has low priority. Also, at the Tracked Parts List at (URL) it says: 3 Cannon Zach Coakley Planning to Work On 1/7/98 I'll never learn if that means January 7th or July (...) (26 years ago, 6-Nov-98, to lugnet.cad)
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