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Re: Ldraw cannon
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Sun, 6 Dec 1998 17:35:54 GMT
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cjc@#antispam#newsguy.com
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Larry Pieniazek <lpien@ctp.IWANTNOSPAM.com> wrote:
> OK, briefly. This is purely an economic analysis. Anyone who wishes to
> prattle about how people have rights to jobs or employers have
> obligations to provide them hasn't any standing in the debate and can
> just keep such fantasyland thinking to themselves.
I happen to know someone who seems to hold these beliefs. I once had
to hear him whine and complain about how our employer had to pay him
more because he was behind in his bills and would never catch up and
be able to buy a house if they didn't pay him what he (thought) he
deserved.
I've never discussed it with him in detail because I just don't think
we'd be speaking the same language. That whole thought process is so
alien to my way of thinking.
> Now let's look at the long term effects. We all agree that long term,
> that 3 dollar job is not where we want a worker to remain (although it
> is a good starting point). If we mandate that employers subsidise low
> value jobs we get lots of bad effects. First, people in them are not
> incented to improve themselves since they're getting more than their
> work is worth. Second, the high wage jobs aren't getting what they are
> worth either, also a disincentive.
I think I know what you are trying to say in "second..." but just to
make sure - you're asserting that because Employer Bob HAS to pay the
low wage jobs more than they are worth he has to pay the high wage
jobs less, probably because the money has to come from somewhere?
> Third, our McDonalds is dirtier than
> it needs to be since we can't get the workers in to clean it
> economically. (noticed how McDonalds are dirtier lately... now you know
> why)
Oh, I don't know about that. I worked for years in fast food as a
teenage with crews the same size or smaller than the ones I see
working in the places now, and for less money. We kept the place
clean - it was a priority. I'm sure the work force pool varies from
community to community (otherwise the workers wouldn't be all or
mostly black next to UTK and all or mostly white way out west in
Farragut, with odd pockets where a large percentage of the workers are
actually old people elsewhere) but I'd say the places that are dirtier
are that way because of poor management and poor workers. Call me
crazy, but I didn't have to be told to keep the bathroom clean at KFC
when I worked there. It was one of my duties, and I took pride in it.
> 1 - my first job not supplied by a relative paid maybe 50 cents an hour,
> as a paper boy. I had it when I was 12. Learned a lot. My next one paid
> well below minimum wage, and I was in collusion with my employer to keep
> it that way. (2) He could not have afforded another bus boy if he had to
> pay a "living wage" to a middle school student. I would not have learned
> the food service industry well enough to become a crew leader at
> McDonalds by the time I was in 12th grade. We both won.
Wow, you were a libertarian when you were in middle school? Neat. :)
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