 | | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | (...) It's not obvious to *me*. Always looking for the disagreement, eh? I ask for some reading material because I want to have an open mind and do some research and you conclude that I disagree apriori. (...) Not interested in *countering* it. I'm (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?) —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | I wasn't born yesterday, my friend. The way I see it, Larry, you have a computer and are smart enough to research the issue of animal abuse (or lack of) for yourself. The fact that you haven't yet (and you admitted this) speaks to your lack of (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) You assume too much. I did that already, or something close to it. Didn't like the quality of sites I found, and thought I'd just (without any aspersions being cast, which is why I just asked outright instead of prefacing it with "I already (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?) —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | (...) For the love of heaven, must we start a new thread as to define what a fact is? How about diatribe? Were there not enough facts given at these sites? The answers to your questions are often not right in front of you. Seek well and learn well. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?) —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) I would assert that if you wish any success in encouraging people to change their views on the way animals are treated in this country that the onus is upon you to substantiate your claims. If the rest of us think that things are basically OK, (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) I was trying to figure out how to say that, but I got hung up on how to actually do what you're suggesting Dan do. What about it? How would Dan, or I, substantiate claims of gross cruelty through negligence and intent? (...) Agreed. But do (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) I think the mechanism being used so far (undercover employees reporting what they see) seems to be working fine for identifying problems. I am satisfied that this problem exists, just not as of yet clear on how endemic it is, nor clear that my (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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